Hello all, I am installing a 1970 headlight switch into my '64. I'm doing this so that I can have my parking lights on with the headlights. Also the old switch is a mess.

Anyhow, I also ordered a new **** with a 3.5 inch shaft. What I'm finding is there's a spacer that needs to be installed with the new switch on the back side of the dash and I need a longer headlight switch retainer. That's the part that threads into the switch from the front of the dash and holds the bezel to the dash.

Anyone know the part number and where to find one?

Thanks, Pat

 

Good question. I don't know the number for the bezel nut, but I'm not even sure I've ever seen the spacer available separately.
With the Early Bronco switches, at least they used to come with a new one that was a separate piece in the box. The originals were either part of the switch, or the ones I'd seen had been on so long that they were stuck to the switch body real good.
New ones were a pain because you had to hold them up there in position unless you attached them yourself first. I've used tape and silicone sealer let to dry overnight before.

By the way, if you have your old switch handy, look to see if it's got extra unused connection points. Many of the old sixties switches did, and all we had to do was move a single wire from one position in the connector to another and voilá! Running lights.
Obviously since your old switch is a mess, it should be replaced anyway. But if you can find a simple correct-year replacement and just move a wire, you'd be in business without all the adapting needed.

I know as early as '64 GM cars had this feature, but not sure when Ford started it.
I've done it on Fords as far back as '68 personally, but never back to '64.

Good luck.

Paul

 

Thanks all, I finally found what I was looking for below. I believe this will do the trick...

https://cgfordparts.com/ufolder/ford...r=C3TZ-11650-A

 

Your 1964 F100 has a similar part: C2TZ-11650-A .. Headlamp Switch Nut - 5/8" O.D. x 5/8" long.

1961/62 F100/1100; 1963/64 F100/600.
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This is the part C & G is selling: C3TZ-11650-A .. Headlamp Switch Nut - 5/8" O.D. x 1 3/16" long.

1963/64 F700/1100; 1965/66 F100/1100; 1967/69 F800/1000; 1967/72 F100/750; 1969/74 Econoline.
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1962/64 F100/600's used the same switch as 1962/63 Falcon/Comet. 1965/72 F100/750's used a different switch.
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1TonBasecamp:

The 1965/72 & 1966/76 Bronco (and etc) original switch (C5TZ-11654-A) had the spacer made as part of it.

In 1973, Ford replaced it with a switch kit (D3ZZ-11654-A) that came with a separate spacer.

This replacement switch also fit 1965 Falcon, 1965/66 & 1971/72 Mustang, 1968/74 Econoline and a gazillion other series' of trucks.

And even though the part number prefix reflects 1973 Mustang, it was not used on 1973 Mustang!

 

Ahh, great info. Thanks once again!

Paul

 

Thanks Bill, you always give all the info one needs to find a solution to their problem.

Pat

 

Hi Paul,

I have a '63 Ford F100 with the same issue. Want my running lights to come on when I turn on the headlights. I saw other forums where they switch out for a 1972 switch. But, I purchase one and I'm having a heck of time wiring it correctly. So, I read that you have a way to just change out 1 wire and voila'. Can you be more specific on which wire and how I would do that.

Thanks,
Stamati

 

Hey Stamati, welcome to the forum. And for giving me my 4,000th post! I'm on a roll and will be catching up to NumberDummy any day now, or sometime in the next century!
I wish I had a quick answer, but it's been so long I can't pull it out of the top of my head. Yet...
And though they were done on '66 to '68-ish Broncos, mid-sixties GM cars and a few others, if we're lucky yours will be the same wire color as the later Fords.

Let me see if I can find some wiring diagrams specific to the '63 hereabouts and try to get some info to put you in the right direction.
In the meantime maybe someone will pop in with the correct info.

Paul

 

Hmm, I was sure that Fordification would go back farther, but apparently only into the seventies for wiring diagrams.
Can you post up a picture of both your new switch, and the old connector?

The problem with some of the diagrams, such as Chilton's, is that they lump early years together, but use the '68 and later themes, with side marker lights.
If we don't find a specific diagram one way to reverse engineer it would be to go up to your front marker lights and make note of the colors of any wires there. Then match that to the old connector.
On later years at least, the Brown wire handles all running lamp duties for the whole vehicle. The problem is that on yours the fronts are different than the rears, so if they used a different color we need to know what that is.
If there happen to be two separate Brown wires on your connector, then maybe we can start there.

Other than that, it's going to have to be one of the other members that has all the diagrams to post up. Have seen some really nice early diagrams posted up I thought. Just would not know where to go looking for them.

Paul

 

 

Updated pictures

 

Thanks. But yeah, probably going to need more light. Looks like no flash at all.
And the switch is intriguing. Different design and not as many terminals as I remember. I wonder if that extra one is there, or if this switch is a literal reproduction of the original so people can win concours prizes?
With any luck that extra point is there though. Maybe the switch also fits up to '68 and newer.

Some more light on the subject and let's try again.

Thanks

Paul

 

Hey guys, I don't know if it will help or not but if you take a look at my video below at about the 1 minute mark I have some very clear video of the old switch with the wiring. I hope it helps you out.

Pat

 

Hey Pat, thanks for that! Pretty crusty old switch, eh?
Did you happen to document which wires you changed? Or did you not need to, as the only connector you could use for the running lights was set up differently for the '70 switch anyway?

And did you change the switch just for this, or was it for some other reason? Sounds like you figured out that you could not accomplish the full-time parking lights with the old switch.
Is that correct?

Thanks again

Paul

 

I wanted the parking and headlights on at the same time also, I like the look better. My buddy Dan suggested the 70-72 switch since we were going to update the fuse box and do the rewiring anyway. In the end we rewired all of the lights.

When I first starting looking into it over a year ago I do remember reading that it just a matter of moving one wire to a different lug on the 64 switch. I never tried to move any because I wasn't at that point yet. For some reason I'm thinking I read it here on FTE forum.

I am glad I switched the fuse box out, I just feel the new one is a bit safer. Good luck with getting it done, Pat