good news is that there is plenty planning information in the ford towing guides.

read your door sticker, read your towing guide....make a decision.,,,own it

 

Years of towing many different types of very heavy trailers and the weight police who will surely chime in tell me two things.

1) the weight ratings are a loose interpretation for anyone that understands the ins and outs of towing big trailers. Duallies are not needed all the time and don't always make the difference. In fact, they TAKE from the overall weight taking, not add to it. The braking characteristics are the same. It may help a little in sway stability, but telling someone they need to get a dually is a half informed statement at best.

2) some will say what I am saying and some will tell you to adhere to it to the letter....hence my "oh Christ, here we go" response. It wasn't a personal jab. No need to be offended. Carry on...

If you have a problem with my response, there is that handy PM button.

 

First, let me clearly state, I'm not offended. Secondly, I think it is VERY important to differentiate the HUGE difference between towing flatbed/equipment type trailers and large 5ver camping trailers/Toy Haulers. I've stated this before on other forums, but it is certainly worth repeating here. One of the huge differences is that with a flatbed/equipment type trailer, the payload on the trailer can be placed in somewhat different locations on the trailer itself, which of course affects the pin weight seen by the towing truck. A huge 5ver that weighs 19,000 lbs GVWR does not have that option. Basically, that trailer's pin weight is what it is. I'm not saying that a few things can't be moved around to lessen the pin weight a bit, but generally speaking, that 5ver camping trailer or Toy Hauler will be a mostly fixed pin weight.....and is on average between 20-25% of the GVWR. As you know, it's pretty easy to do the math on those sets of numbers. That same weight (19,000 lbs) GVWR on a flatbed, can be loaded to not have near that amount of pin weight......thus the HUGE difference between the two types of trailers and what kind of truck needed to safely tow them. I didn't even touch on wind resistance involved in towing the camping trailer/Toy Hauler, but most of them that are that large, are at a minimum 13' in height and 40+ feet long. And since the Original Poster of this thread is talking about his new Toy Hauler, that is the reason that I was inquiring about the size truck he has. I looked up the specs on the 2020 Attitude 3218mm and with a GVWR of 19,000 lbs, he is clearly in Dually territory. At a minimum, his pin weight is going to be 3800 lbs....based on the 20% number. If it goes higher, to let's say 23%, he's now looking at 4370 lbs......and those numbers are of course without adding in the weight of the hitch, passengers, tools, etc.....everything else that may go on or in the truck. I could see it easily getting into the upper 4000 lbs for total load put on the truck....and there ain't no SRW F350 that is equipped like his, that will safely handle that load.

 

Nice looking set up for sure..Congrats on being able to run an outfit like that.
But...(and I know you won't like the following and please understand its not a personal attack) I have to agree with xrated and a ton of others affectionately know by some as the "weight police" ..the numbers don't lie.
Its important to look at the consequences of being over weight. Risk vs Return., Accountability and Responsibility,...on and on..
Yes, the people that choose to go this route will be perfectly fine until something goes wrong..At that point its way too late. No turning back. The consequences will at that point suck more than your wildest dreams.and you will forever wish that you had played by the rules. Whether it be just a ticket and ruin your vacation by having to leave your rig on the side of the road until you get a proper tow vehicle or god forbid an accident. The question is, is it worth the risk.
Apologies for the rant but it never hurts to hear reasoning from others.
Travel safe and enjoy your new rig.
Cheers

 

 

Congratulations on the new rig, look good! Could you post some pictures of the inside when you get a chance?

How did your previous one hold up? Any complaints or things to watch for?

 

The rig is at eclipse right now ..I'm installing another lithium battery n a 2nd solar panel ..also adding a 2nd fantastic fan..I'll post some pics when I pick it up..this is my 3rd eclipse attitude n they all have held up well. Obviously minor problems with all of em that I fixed on my own..but that's normal on every rig no matter what brand...but I love the attitudes ..no complaints

 

Is that a F150? Ecobeast? Curious how you like it pulling your camper? My bad...it isn't, just looked closer at the pics

 

one thing to note is that with toy haulers, that when loaded weight from the pin can be decreased depending on the location of the axles. The fact that this toy hauler in question has 3 axles, most likely rated at 7000 lbs a piece (21,000 lbs total) leads me to believe it will end up supporting most of any additional cargo in loaded in the the trailer up to the max gvwr of 19,000 lbs (less than the 3 axle ratings). Also according to this site the pin weight is 3,210 lbs. Attitude Widebody
I also own a Ford F-350 Lariat Sport package 4x4 with diesel engine. My payload is 3,400 lbs, but I'm well equipped. The OP could have higher payload.
Also worth noting, even though I think he may be ok, with my set up I would not tow that, unless I took it to a scale fully loaded and knew that my pin weight and my occupants were within my my payload capacity.

 

At best, he MIGHT have another 150 or so lbs of payload capacity, more than yours....and that is best case scenario. A fully loaded 19,000 lb 5ver should be putting at least 3800 lbs of pin weight on the truck, plus the hitch weight, plus passengers, plus anything and everything that goes in the truck. And yes, I know all too well about toy haulers losing some pin weight or tongue weight, whichever the case may be (5ver or Tow Behind), but he is still going to be overloaded on the payload numbers with a 19,000 lb trailer. This post is fairly old and probably irrelevant to him anymore, but hopefully it may enlighten someone else about towing/payload numbers. A 19,000 lb trailer is Dually territory for any brand of truck by the time you add up all the other stuff that goes along with towing.

 

Just because it has the ability to haul 6,500 pounds of cargo in the trailers garage, doesn't mean that he/someone will. The 4 seat RZR only weighs around 2,000 pounds. So overall were talking about 14,500 pounds plus any other cargo. Good looking rig and TV.

 

you’re right this thread might be old but it is still useful and I do read through some of these old posts. I’ve been looking at fifth wheels in the 16 to 17,000 pound GVWR - to me that’s Dually territory all the way. A 19,000 pound fifth wheel could be putting as much as 4300 pounds of pin weight. Thanks for the information I appreciate it.