Sorry for the double posting. Hey guys I currently own a 2019 F350 SRW LB ..Im looking at a 2020 attitude eclipse 3218mm which has a GVWR of 19000 , dry weight of about 12k and hitch weight under 2900...Is this F450 territory or can my f350 pull this thing safely? I will be hauling a 2014 rzr 800 4 seater. thks

 

You should be ok with the 350. I have an older F250 7.3 and tow a heavy 40.5 toy hauler My pin weight is at 3K. I am not overloaded on axles but about 900 over total GVWR. newer units have a much higher capacity than the older ones. Best thing it to weigh you truck and figure out your axle weights without a trailer. Than add the 3000 pounds to the rear axle. You should be ok on total GVWR.

 

3800 lbs would be 20%, but since it is a toy hauler I would expect that the pin wt would be lighter with more in the rear of the trailer. I would do as suggested.

 

Since it is a TH with 7,000lbs of CCC I would expect the pin weight to be on the high side with only the side by side in the garage, not a whole lot being carried back there to lighten that pin. I'm not a fiver owner, and certainly not a member of the weight police, but it seems to me that a 19K rated TH is a lot for a SRW truck to be towing.

 

The first thing you need to do is to look at the sticker on the driver side door post....the white one with yellow highlighted areas. There is a section of that sticker that will tell you the payload or Cargo Carrying Capacity of THAT truck. DO NOT go by a brochure number or advertisements that you may see......that sticker is the payload of your truck as it came off of the assembly line at the truck plant where it was built. It has long been an accepted practice for calculation of needed truck size to use the GVWR of the Trailer that you are going to haul. Notice I didn't say "tow", as tow ratings for trucks are a pretty useless number when you are towing a 5th Wheel CAMPING type trailer. 99% of the time, you will run out of payload capacity before you reach the towing capacity. So if you use the GVWR of the trailer, 19,000 lb and multiply that number by 20% (may be a little bit more, but almost never less than 20%), you will quickly see that the number comes up to 3800 lbs of pin weight. What is the payload of the truck you own?....probably less than the 3800 lbs, but look for sure. So using the 3800 lbs of pin weight, add in the weight of the 5ver hitch (probably close to 200 lbs), the weight of your passenger(s), and anything and everything that will go in/on the truck when you go camping. Will you take along extra fuel? Will you take firewood? How about a truckbed toolbox full of tools, jack, etc? No one here knows what all you will be taking along, so try and figure out how much more weight you will add besides the pin weight and the hitch. It's pretty easy to see that if the camper is loaded to or close to the GVWR of the trailer, you could quite easily be North of 4000 lbs....maybe closer to 4500 lbs....again, depending on how you load, what you load, and where you load stuff in the trailer. A Toy Hauler with a toy in the back will lighted the pin weight so some degree, but in my opinion, you must ALWAYS do your calculations for worst case scenario.....or fully loaded conditions. Your trailer and mine (20K GVWR) are not that much different in that regard and I tow with a F350 CrewCab diesel Dually. I really don't think your SRW truck will have the payload capacity for that trailer, but do the numbers and be honest with yourself about the results. A trailer that large needs something that will tow it safely and within ALL the weight capacities of the vehicle.....GVWR, GCVWR, RAWR, FAWR, Payload, Tire load capacity. Towing capacity, like I said earlier, is an almost useless number when it comes to 5th Wheel Camping trailer because of the amount of weight that they produce on the pin.....20-25% in most cases.

 

I agree with xrated, look at the CCC sticker of YOUR truck, that will be your limiting factor. My bet is, you’ll be over. Don’t focus on the 19k GVWR, also look at the truck’s CCC and your GCWR. I also would 2900 is the empty pin weight, you need to see what the actual pin weight is on the trailer. I’m certain it’ll be north of 3k. With the bigger toy haulers like that, a load in the garage won’t reduce the pin weight as much as you think. When I have 1k in the garage, my pin weight doesn’t even drop 100 lbs. If the 2900 pin weight is the advertised weight, it’ll definitely be heavier. Once you add in propane, gear and anything ahead of the axels, and maybe a generator if it’s in the front like mine, you’re way over 3k, if not close to 4k.

With my set up below and a 3k pin weight, I’m right at the max GVWR of my 350 SRW, 11,500. My trailer empty is 14046 and my normal camping load is around 16K (with no water on board). If I ever went with a longer or heavier toy hauler, I’d be upgrading to a DRW, likely a 450. I’d prefer a 450 over a 350 DRW for the turning radius, bigger brakes, and wheels.

 

19,000 lbs may not be F450 territory, but I would say dually territory for sure. I wouldn't want to drag that much weight behind a SRW truck for any long distances.