So when does it make a difference??
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Fleet Mechanic
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So when does it make a difference??
With gas prices at 2.44 and diesel at like 3.09 a gallon in my area, raleigh nc, when does it, or at what price difference between gas and diesel does it make sense to go gasser vs diesel.
I understand a diesel will tow a RV at a better mpg overall. for instance some diesel owners are getting 12-13 mpg and the gassers are getting 9-10 with the same RV.
what is the price difference between vehicles, all thing being equal as possible, when do you forgo the power, longevity of diesel etc and get a 5.7, 6.0 gas model with less overhead cost as a rule.. ??
currently have a 2003 7.3 with 186K and will be keeping it for at least 4 more years.. We plan to go full time RV with a 30 ft classic airstream in 18ish months so I expect the miles to go up. I keep a watch on gas and diesel futures and they gap has been 40 -50 or more cent a gallon for a while now. I don't see that gap narrowing or going away anytime soon..
I understand a diesel will tow a RV at a better mpg overall. for instance some diesel owners are getting 12-13 mpg and the gassers are getting 9-10 with the same RV.
what is the price difference between vehicles, all thing being equal as possible, when do you forgo the power, longevity of diesel etc and get a 5.7, 6.0 gas model with less overhead cost as a rule.. ??
currently have a 2003 7.3 with 186K and will be keeping it for at least 4 more years.. We plan to go full time RV with a 30 ft classic airstream in 18ish months so I expect the miles to go up. I keep a watch on gas and diesel futures and they gap has been 40 -50 or more cent a gallon for a while now. I don't see that gap narrowing or going away anytime soon..
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Having tried towing with a 2018 6.2, I would not trade for my 7.3 at all. Half the torque/power, worse mileage and zero personality. Forget the cost of switching platforms... No Brainer, stick with the 7.3.
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I know some people do and most will swear their gasser tows just as Yada Yada as a diesel.. I call bs on most of that chatter. A gasser makes its power in the higher end of the rpm window where a diesel will make the most power /torque in the lower end of the rpm window. I will never switch to a gas truck to tow any travel trailer. I tow a 38' 11500lb travel trailer with a golf cart in the bed with a 99 crew cab 4x4 7.3 and get a solid 12 mpg. And it does it without screaming at high rpms trying to get up a grade. I've only made one trip towing the same camper and golf cart with my 14 Lariat crew cab 4x4 6.7 diesel and got 10 mpg. But also another factor is the fact that I get that kind of mileage without driving like a grandpa. Rant over 😁
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Diesels also last much longer and hold their value better. However the newer emissions controlled diesels have more problems than the older ones do so unless you delete them you lose the long term reliability advantage a diesel used to have. If I had to chose between a new 6.2 gas or a 6.7 Powerstroke and I had to leave them both stock I would pick the gas engine. On the older trucks it would be a diesel, unless your talking about an old IDI then I would rather have the 460 gas.
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I keep rigs for a long time, yeah, I'm a tightwad. When a gas engine gets 160k on it it struggles at doing what it did at 30k. My 7.3 doesn't struggle one little bit at 271k.
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My 6.7 is still under warranty, but when the warranty expires I plan doing a dereet. But the power and torque in stock form is amazing. Other than having to have a tune for the dereet there's absolutely no need for a 6.7 to be tuned. Not to mention the comfort and quietness of the newer trucks.
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I think that one main factor some folks don't take into account is how long is the payback. If a gasser saves you even $.10 a mile how long does it take to break even after spending 40-50 grand on a new truck?
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All it takes is the proper OEM R&P gear and the 2V V10 will pull the same weight as the diesels without shrugging.
I am not stirring up a debate or another gas vs diesel flame war. I just don't want internet lore to rule the mood, and to also give proper respect and credit to the V10.
A 2V V10 will pull any load the 7.3L PSD will. Apart from the different nuances and personal preferences, the V10 is every bit as capable as the PSD. It's not my cup of tea, but it is every bit as capable, within the parameters set by Ford.
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My 6.7 is still under warranty, but when the warranty expires I plan doing a dereet. But the power and torque in stock form is amazing. Other than having to have a tune for the dereet there's absolutely no need for a 6.7 to be tuned. Not to mention the comfort and quietness of the newer trucks.
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I'm not sure who's tunes I'm gonna run Stewart Still doing my research. I will let you know though.
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Fleet Mechanic
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so this thread has gone off the rails..
I was asking at what price point between diesel fuel and gas price per gallon does a gasser make more sense than diesel. In my area diesel is $3.07 and unleaded 89 octane is $2.44 or some 55 cents per gallon difference. it has
been this large difference for a while now. several years ago I remember the price difference only like .15 cents or sometimes less..
that was the main question on fuel prices for the most part.
I was asking at what price point between diesel fuel and gas price per gallon does a gasser make more sense than diesel. In my area diesel is $3.07 and unleaded 89 octane is $2.44 or some 55 cents per gallon difference. it has
been this large difference for a while now. several years ago I remember the price difference only like .15 cents or sometimes less..
that was the main question on fuel prices for the most part.
