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Old 11-13-2018, 12:56 PM
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I was really confused by this when I was researching my build too. When building, don't select a payload option (either the 10000# or 11,400#). Based on your options, 4x4, tires, camper package, ect., a maximum GVWR will be determined, Likely 11,300# for the options you have selected. The 11,400# payload is a diesel only option I think, which is why the max payload for that GVWR in the ford payload selector is actually less than the 11,300# GVWR. I think your best best is to take your options to the dealer, have them build it for you in their system and verify the GVWR on the build sheet. Based on that GVWR and the maximum payload selector, subtracting a couple hundred pounds for options should put you in the ballpark.
 
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Originally Posted by MBuckholz
I've had my Hallmark guanella for about a year-and-a-half. I typically have either bicycles or motorcycle mounted off the rear receiver or I tow a small 4 rail trailer. I had a 2011 F-350XL 6.2 3.73 CCLB 17" tires. Last January I ordered a new 2018, basically the same equipment except I went 4.30 rear end. I'm super pleased. I don't install balloon tires and big wheels, and I really like the 6r140 tranny that comes with the F-350 gasser. The advantage of ordering a 17-in wheel equipped f350 is you get a pretty soft spring pack in the rear, but with really heavy overload Springs. Stock my truck worked perfectly with the exception that base OEM shocks on the rear did not have enough damping when driving loaded, so I slapped a set of Fox 2.0 on the rear. I am super pleased w
​​​​​​ith my new truck. Feel free to ask any questions.....
Thanks! Curious to know, did you weigh the Guanella when you took delivery? Was the weight close to your estimates? Here are my estimates of the dry weights (excluding batteries and fluids) of the camper:

Item Weight (lbs)
Guanella Base Model (Common Options): 1250
Novacool R45 Refrigerator: Included
Extended Bunk (North-South Cabover) 100 Estimate
Solar System (2 X 100 Watts) 50 Estimate
Air conditioning (9,000 BTU): 100
Side awning: 50 Estimate
Work Box Storage System (Ford SB): 100 Estimate
Laveo Toilet: 25
Lagun Table system: 10 Estimate
Ladder: 5
72" Thule track Stick (4): 5
Rear flood lights: 5
AT Can Holder: 25
TOTAL: 1,725

Matt gave me some of the weights, the other estimates are "guesstimates".

Thanks,

Preston
 
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Originally Posted by IdahoIV
I was really confused by this when I was researching my build too. When building, don't select a payload option (either the 10000# or 11,400#). Based on your options, 4x4, tires, camper package, ect., a maximum GVWR will be determined, Likely 11,300# for the options you have selected. The 11,400# payload is a diesel only option I think, which is why the max payload for that GVWR in the ford payload selector is actually less than the 11,300# GVWR. I think your best best is to take your options to the dealer, have them build it for you in their system and verify the GVWR on the build sheet. Based on that GVWR and the maximum payload selector, subtracting a couple hundred pounds for options should put you in the ballpark.
Ahah! You may have solved the mystery ... I will be dropping in on the dealer at the end of this week and will let you know what I find out (hopefully with the options selected I will get a GVWR of 11,300 .... and have a good amount of margin in my pocket!

Thanks,

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Try using the attached camper spec PDF. I'd think you'd would want a F350. Why not to get max payload possible?
Wonderful! Thanks,

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I posted this on Facebook I think or something but I picked up my truck with the 4.30's Saturday with 24 miles on it. I now have 167 on it and those miles have been mostly all highway. My MPG thing says 14.1 .... 18in wheels.
 
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Originally Posted by prestonv
Ahah! You may have solved the mystery ... I will be dropping in on the dealer at the end of this week and will let you know what I find out (hopefully with the options selected I will get a GVWR of 11,300 .... and have a good amount of margin in my pocket!

Thanks,

Preston
Preston,

It looks like the 10K mystery may be solved. For the F350, the 10K GVWR is an optional no-cost paper downgrade (Option Code 68 D).

When your dealer works up a draft work sheet for you, it should list the configuration GVWR. Based on the configuration you've described (F350 SCSB 4x4 6.2 XLT 18" wheels with optional AT tires and Camper Package), I expect the GCWR to be 11,300 lbs. (ref 2019 Super Duty Specs Guide, page 24).

Yes, the max F250 GVWR available is 10K lbs., no matter how it's configured.

It looks like you were able to buy the F350 4X4 SCSB 6.2 with a 11,400 lb GVWR (or at least higher than 10,000 lbs)? The "configurator" on the Ford website does not allow me to increase the F350 to the 11,400 lb GVWR without adding the 6.7 Diesel .... which I don't want to do. How did you do this? How much extra cost was it to increase the GVWR to 11,400 with the 6.2 Gasoline engine?
Our truck is an F350 4x2 CCSB 6.2 with a 10,600 lbs. GVWR. This is the standard GVWR spec for our truck configuration. Here's a picture of our truck and camper:


2019 F350 with Camper at GA Welcome Center On I-95

HTH, and best of luck!
Jim / crewzer
 

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my truck with the 4.30's Saturday with 24 miles on it. I now have 167 on it and those miles have been mostly all highway. My MPG thing says 14.1 .... 18in wheels.
About the same as my new 4.30 6.2. Hoping to improves and gets closer to what my 2017 3.73 6.2 got.
 
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A big thanks to everyone who posted in response to my questions. If I ever have the pleasure of meeting up with any of you (I will post pictures when everything is delivered), please let me buy the first round(s)!!

The only issue outstanding is for me to understand the issues round the rear axle ratio so I can make an informed decision. Otherwise:

F350, SCSB, 4X4, 6.2, XLT Trim, 18" AT wheels/tires, Camper Package, Skid Plates, Extra Extra HD Alternator, Center Console, Value Package, Sync 3.

Sticker price sitting at $49,910 (Not including $500 rebate) .... let's see what I can do in negotiations ...

Thanks again,

Preston
 
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You will love that configuration. Mine is close to that build and I am very happy with it.
 
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Happy to help. I spent alot of time lurking on this forum before I ordered. Between the special ordered camper and truck you are going to have a great setup come spring!

The most important question now is.... what color are you going to choose? These special ordered 6.2 gassers sure like to wear blue jeans.

 
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Naw, Ruby Red! I was able to do 750 under invoice. Then I had the ford 500 offer , 500 fiance incentive and 3000 pco. Sticker was 60950. I was 52,820 before tax and only 100 buck dealer fee.
 
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Originally Posted by prestonv
The only issue outstanding is for me to understand the issues round the rear axle ratio so I can make an informed decision.
I think 90% of people here will recommend the 4.30 gears as long as you're factory ordering anyways. I'm certainly happy with mine.
 
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Simply put, the 4.30's will allow your truck to accelerate better with a load on it. You will sacrifice some MPG
unloaded but it will be better loaded since it will stay in 6th or 5th longer than it will with the 3.73's. If you are
going to have the weight of the camper plus pull a trailer, I would also go with the 4.30's.... then again, I bought
my truck to pull a trailer and plow snow, not to pass gas stations.

Originally Posted by IdahoIV
These special ordered 6.2 gassers sure like to wear blue jeans.
What he said (even though mine wasn't special ordered....)
 
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The higher axle ratio also helps compensate for the overall drivetrain impact of the higher capacity LT275/70R18E AT tires, which are about 3.8% larger that the standard LT275/65R18E A/S tires.

HTH,
Jim / crewzer
 
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Originally Posted by prestonv
If I ever have the pleasure of meeting up with any of you (I will post pictures when everything is delivered), please let me buy the first round(s)!
I’m iin western NC, and I travel I40 through TN every now and then....

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