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Triax has popped up in other threads. If you are having good luck with it, great.
It appears they are not what they say they are. The Fleet Supreme oil supposedly meets Ford WSSM2C171F1 according to them, but Ford has not approved them for their list. The phosphorus and zinc levels do not meet Ford specs.
The fact they claim to meet the spec without actually being tested and certified for it, and suggesting they can go 80,000 miles without a change sends them packing IMO.
Looking at the Synergy line, you find a whopping 800ppm of MoDTC, or Molybdenum dithiocarbamates, an organo METALLIC friction reducer. Some moly, 50-200ppm is good, but that with as much as Triax claims to have, you will eventually develop deposits inside the engine. Ultra high moly oils will not pass TEOST, Thermo-Oxidation Engine Oil Simulation Test. TEOST tests to determine the ability of crankcase oils to control engine deposits.
And from the Triax website... (their misspelled words, not mine.)
"WHY ARE OUR PRODUCTS NOT API LICENSED
API only licenses pe-approved formulations which in general are sold by most brands, as API licensed fluids. At TRIAX, we are not satisfied with cookie cutter formulations. Most of our products are built on a foundation product but have been heavily modified to increase the oil's performance beyond what API requires, in all respects. Our improvements are being treated by API as a whole new formulation. To license new formulations the cost is between 350,000 USD to 1 MILLION USD per fluid, which is extremely expensive and unnecessary. All of our products will meet or exceed the performance requirements which make up the respective API specification, in virtually every single criteria. Essentially, 99% of API licensed fluids are the same few formulations being sold under hundreds of different brands. We want to stand apart from the crowd and bring our customers the absolute best engine protection today's technology can offer. "
So API licensing is just too expensive for them, and they probably wouldn't pass anyway. What will you do if there is a lubricant related failure, and your dealer says, sorry Charlie, your oil does not meet specs?
In contrast to all those glowing reviews, Triax will never go in anything I own.
It appears they are not what they say they are. The Fleet Supreme oil supposedly meets Ford WSSM2C171F1 according to them, but Ford has not approved them for their list. The phosphorus and zinc levels do not meet Ford specs.
The fact they claim to meet the spec without actually being tested and certified for it, and suggesting they can go 80,000 miles without a change sends them packing IMO.
Looking at the Synergy line, you find a whopping 800ppm of MoDTC, or Molybdenum dithiocarbamates, an organo METALLIC friction reducer. Some moly, 50-200ppm is good, but that with as much as Triax claims to have, you will eventually develop deposits inside the engine. Ultra high moly oils will not pass TEOST, Thermo-Oxidation Engine Oil Simulation Test. TEOST tests to determine the ability of crankcase oils to control engine deposits.
And from the Triax website... (their misspelled words, not mine.)
"WHY ARE OUR PRODUCTS NOT API LICENSED
API only licenses pe-approved formulations which in general are sold by most brands, as API licensed fluids. At TRIAX, we are not satisfied with cookie cutter formulations. Most of our products are built on a foundation product but have been heavily modified to increase the oil's performance beyond what API requires, in all respects. Our improvements are being treated by API as a whole new formulation. To license new formulations the cost is between 350,000 USD to 1 MILLION USD per fluid, which is extremely expensive and unnecessary. All of our products will meet or exceed the performance requirements which make up the respective API specification, in virtually every single criteria. Essentially, 99% of API licensed fluids are the same few formulations being sold under hundreds of different brands. We want to stand apart from the crowd and bring our customers the absolute best engine protection today's technology can offer. "
So API licensing is just too expensive for them, and they probably wouldn't pass anyway. What will you do if there is a lubricant related failure, and your dealer says, sorry Charlie, your oil does not meet specs?
In contrast to all those glowing reviews, Triax will never go in anything I own.
Your words claim they say 800 ppm of moly...their specs sheet says 159-192 ppm... which is within the specs that YOU posted are acceptable. Hmmmm, very interesting...
Mountain Pass
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c350, you like Triax, obviously, keep using it, just like I said. I just research and put info out for others to make up their own minds, just like you, so don't get your shorts twisted and be defensive. Some folks drink the Royal Purple kool-aid as well.
Your words: " Obviously you’re opinion is right and everyone else’s opinion and their independent OA is wrong. Run it or don’t run it but save the sky is falling and fear mongering comments for someone else."
And yet you want someone to believe Triax opinion, which they seem to present as fact.
"Our standard hydraulic oils are some of the best in the business, when compared to 99% of everything else out there, including major brands."
Sorry, double speak only works if you are in Jr.High reading Orwell.
" Our engine oils are made with state-of-the-art additive packages, customized to exceed every performance standard, including API, ACEA and OEM. Our products use, MOLY CRP (Continuously Regenerating Plating) Technology is a new generation additive technology based on a fully soluble long chain organo-metallic Molybdenum Dithiocarbamate (MoDTC) and ZDDP (Zinc dialkyldithiophosphates), plus a latest generation of detergents and ash dispersal technology."
Again, sorry. ZDDP was first added to engine oil in the 1940's. Moly was first added to oils in Germany for aircraft in 1935, so neither of these are "new generation" except to those that have never heard of it.
Every modern engine oil will have ZDDP, many have moly, if they don't they will have boron, or titanium additives. Nothing new about it all.
You simply confirm my statement. They can't get their story straight on their own website.
Again, their misspellings.
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Your words: " Obviously you’re opinion is right and everyone else’s opinion and their independent OA is wrong. Run it or don’t run it but save the sky is falling and fear mongering comments for someone else."
And yet you want someone to believe Triax opinion, which they seem to present as fact.
"Our standard hydraulic oils are some of the best in the business, when compared to 99% of everything else out there, including major brands."
Sorry, double speak only works if you are in Jr.High reading Orwell.
" Our engine oils are made with state-of-the-art additive packages, customized to exceed every performance standard, including API, ACEA and OEM. Our products use, MOLY CRP (Continuously Regenerating Plating) Technology is a new generation additive technology based on a fully soluble long chain organo-metallic Molybdenum Dithiocarbamate (MoDTC) and ZDDP (Zinc dialkyldithiophosphates), plus a latest generation of detergents and ash dispersal technology."
Again, sorry. ZDDP was first added to engine oil in the 1940's. Moly was first added to oils in Germany for aircraft in 1935, so neither of these are "new generation" except to those that have never heard of it.
Every modern engine oil will have ZDDP, many have moly, if they don't they will have boron, or titanium additives. Nothing new about it all.
You simply confirm my statement. They can't get their story straight on their own website.
Again, their misspellings.
"
TRIAX Synergy engine oils are state-of-the-art high performance full synthetic engine oils, designed to provide outstanding performance and protection in all driving conditions and tailored to meet even the highest expectations from professional mechanics and consumers alike. These products are formulated with high grade full synthetic base oils blended with our CRP technology additive system and High Phosphate Retention ZDDP for outstanding wear and friction reduction for overall excellent performance. Synergy engine oils oils are built on OEM and API approved platforms but have been heavily modified to deliver substantially higher performance level on all fronts when compared to commercially available lubricants. All these products contain our proprietary CRP (Continuously Regenerative Plating) technology with Molybdenum and other proprietary additives and surpass every OEM and API standard set for these types of engine oils. TRIAX Synergy engine oils offer year-round protection for virtually all gasoline and turbo diesel (NON DPF) engines in North American, European and Japanese vehicles, exceeding the OEM requirements by as much a 65%. TRIAX Synergy engine oils contain built in friction modifiers, significantly increasing the oils ability to handle everything engines can throw at it. These oils contain enough built-in boosters and performance amplifiers to allow the oil to withstand hard driving conditions, maintain viscosity and all other properties. In our TRIAX Synenrgy products, virtually everything has been amplified: oxidation resistance, friction characteristics, viscosity stability, thermal stability, shear stability, soot control and engine cleanliness.PRODUCT PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS
Like I stated before, you keep on using what works for you. If you like it, if your UOA shows low wear metals, if your engine performs how you want it, rock on.
It's not for me. I'll take an oil with a company that has a lot to lose behind it, and that would be one of the majors, not a boutique that will not get their product tested or certified because it's too much expensive.
- Eliminates the need for adding after-market boosters and additives. Contains perfectly balanced super additive system.
- Over 800 PPM MoDTC Molybdenum and max API allowed ZDDP content deliver un-paralleled engine hot section and turbo protection.
- Dramatically improved overall engine performance
- Substantial oil oxidation reduction, preventing thickening, oil aging and manintaining protection
- Improved thermal stability and viscosity control for long drain intervals, exceeding 15,000 miles
- Extreme oxidation stability - will not fry on the turbo-chargers and super-chargers bearings
- Active plating on engine parts with an extremely resilient, regenerative layering
- Heavily friction optimized and modified for superb protection
- State-of-the-art detergent system and disperants to keep your engine clean
Like I stated before, you keep on using what works for you. If you like it, if your UOA shows low wear metals, if your engine performs how you want it, rock on.
It's not for me. I'll take an oil with a company that has a lot to lose behind it, and that would be one of the majors, not a boutique that will not get their product tested or certified because it's too much expensive.
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Settle down boys. Let’s keeo this professional. I’m just glad no one has mentioned AMSOIL. I will say this. All the reputable oil brands have upped their game. I’ve run several fully synthetic brands and had them tested and was quite surprised at well they performed for me at my temperature and elevation that I live and drive in. I’ve seen some tests in much colder higher altitude conditions and was very surprised at how bad some of them performed.
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Settle down boys. Let’s keeo this professional. I’m just glad no one has mentioned AMSOIL. I will say this. All the reputable oil brands have upped their game. I’ve run several fully synthetic brands and had them tested and was quite surprised at well they performed for me at my temperature and elevation that I live and drive in. I’ve seen some tests in much colder higher altitude conditions and was very surprised at how bad some of them performed.
Hoping not to start an argument..
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