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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 07:35 AM
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Finally reached a crossroads........

So my winter beater Escape has finally succumbed to the salty winters and will not pass inspection without a ton of work. So unfortunately it’s time to move on from that.

I REALLY do not want to have my truck start running in the
salt full time. After being able to keep the truck off of the salt
for the past 6 or 7 years I don’t want to give up.

So I think my options are this

1.) Lease a vehicle to eat up the salt. I’ve grown tired of fixing salt destroyed car parts. Leasing is just giving your money away but someone else can deal with the salt later. But lease payments are not exactly cheap.

2.) Trade in the truck and look at the 17+ trucks in hopes the aluminum bodies can handle the salt. Steel parts will still see abuse though. Biggest problem here is $$$ in that new trucks are super expensive and my truck is probably the most valuable to me in terms of trade or sale. Would definitely be looking at ordering as I would be looking at a F550.

3.) Deal with tha salt and try my best to keep it at bay. It’s a losing battle that will take its toll.

Luckily it’s only August so the snow won’t be around for a while.

 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 07:43 AM
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IMO. Trading in new(not exactly sure what year your current truck is from the thumbnail pic) and then winter driving it will be the worst investment you could possibly make. Depreciation from new or nearly new as well as winter destruction. If you really want a new truck it's your money though.

My '11 has never seen winter. It's mint, seems it'll last in definetly. This winter I'll drive my '95 I think and laugh at the salt and gravel and wear and tear that winter throws my way. I'm up in BC Canada and instead of cringing every time I pass by another vehicle all winter long for fear of rock/gravel dings I just drive an older truck all winter. Rock chip? Who cares. Salt corrosion? We'll call that patina. Lol.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 07:47 AM
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Buy another beater, that's the cheapest route. Your truck is almost unique, unless you need the F550 in the winter why pay so much to watch a new truck rot away. The body changed, but all the PITA stuff like brake lines and diff covers and spring packs are still going to rot to same old way.

Seems like a lot of Jeeps with the 3.7L V6 are going 150k+ on the engine and transmissions, fly south and find a Liberty with 100-120k on it and it should last at least three-five years depending on what you do/ don't do to it. Parts are cheap, the engine bay is huge, the interior isn't worse than an Escape (IMO both are tiny, 2004 Escape compared to 2008 LIberty). I just sold one with 165k and drivetrain was in great shape, just body was rough from my wife bumping things and we needed more interior room for carseats.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 07:54 AM
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Barring paint defects, it's usually possible to keep the body and doors looking good despite road salt for 20 years and maybe a little more. It's the electric gremlins caused by years of road salt that eventually brings trucks to their knees and even then I'd like to think a guy can get 20 years or so.

Keep all seams, wheel wells, or any other dirt collection points clean. Once a year in mid October: WD-40 (or equivalent) all seems (hood, doors, tailgate, under hood) and squirt it inside drain holes using the provided straw. Also once a year: Good dose of Fluid film on everything underneath (except for the exhaust system). I actually use new motor oil but starting to shift towards fluid film. Applied with an airless sprayer to spray directly into all under body seams including rocker panels, fenders, etc. Takes a couple hours but much cheaper than renting a beater car or buying a new truck. There is a rust prevention service that's been mentioned on this site that looks pretty good...kinda pricey though.

If you won't be driving for a few days during the winter, give it a water rinse underneath, around the body seems, inside fenders, etc. No need for soap because water will dissolve the salt and take it off. Truck may still look dirty but removing salt is the key. As long as it's a sunny day, the water will evaporate off...even if the temp is single digits. Helps to have the truck warm and heater on to keep glass clear.

Do not apply anything that forms a film (like paint) under the truck. These products eventually peel and trap salt. No waxy goo inside drains which traps dirt...water displacement (like WD-40) only.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 09:20 AM
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You could switch to a predominately aluminum car, like the 2005+ Jaguar XJ. Those are awesome rides.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by texastech_diesel
Buy another beater, that's the cheapest route. Your truck is almost unique, unless you need the F550 in the winter why pay so much to watch a new truck rot away. The body changed, but all the PITA stuff like brake lines and diff covers and spring packs are still going to rot to same old way.

Seems like a lot of Jeeps with the 3.7L V6 are going 150k+ on the engine and transmissions, fly south and find a Liberty with 100-120k on it and it should last at least three-five years depending on what you do/ don't do to it. Parts are cheap, the engine bay is huge, the interior isn't worse than an Escape (IMO both are tiny, 2004 Escape compared to 2008 LIberty). I just sold one with 165k and drivetrain was in great shape, just body was rough from my wife bumping things and we needed more interior room for carseats.
I hear ya. Just super sick of the repairs on the beaters to keep running. My hope by 2020 is to be in a Bronco. So a 2 year lease on something might be ok.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Squisher
IMO. Trading in new(not exactly sure what year your current truck is from the thumbnail pic) and then winter driving it will be the worst investment you could possibly make. Depreciation from new or nearly new as well as winter destruction. If you really want a new truck it's your money though.

My '11 has never seen winter. It's mint, seems it'll last in definetly. This winter I'll drive my '95 I think and laugh at the salt and gravel and wear and tear that winter throws my way. I'm up in BC Canada and instead of cringing every time I pass by another vehicle all winter long for fear of rock/gravel dings I just drive an older truck all winter. Rock chip? Who cares. Salt corrosion? We'll call that patina. Lol.

I'd be all over a used pickup truck, but the problem is I'd need seats for kids. Anything with a crew cab is usually out of the question.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by '65Ford
Barring paint defects, it's usually possible to keep the body and doors looking good despite road salt for 20 years and maybe a little more. It's the electric gremlins caused by years of road salt that eventually brings trucks to their knees and even then I'd like to think a guy can get 20 years or so.

Keep all seams, wheel wells, or any other dirt collection points clean. Once a year in mid October: WD-40 (or equivalent) all seems (hood, doors, tailgate, under hood) and squirt it inside drain holes using the provided straw. Also once a year: Good dose of Fluid film on everything underneath (except for the exhaust system). I actually use new motor oil but starting to shift towards fluid film. Applied with an airless sprayer to spray directly into all under body seams including rocker panels, fenders, etc. Takes a couple hours but much cheaper than renting a beater car or buying a new truck. There is a rust prevention service that's been mentioned on this site that looks pretty good...kinda pricey though.

If you won't be driving for a few days during the winter, give it a water rinse underneath, around the body seems, inside fenders, etc. No need for soap because water will dissolve the salt and take it off. Truck may still look dirty but removing salt is the key. As long as it's a sunny day, the water will evaporate off...even if the temp is single digits. Helps to have the truck warm and heater on to keep glass clear.

Do not apply anything that forms a film (like paint) under the truck. These products eventually peel and trap salt. No waxy goo inside drains which traps dirt...water displacement (like WD-40) only.

Have used fluid film for years.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 03:28 PM
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I rinse the underside at a car wash after being on Winter salt roads.
What state are you in or area of the country?
Seems like some are 10 times worse in the Winter than others.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 03:32 PM
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Where are you living?
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Batman7777
I rinse the underside at a car wash after being on Winter salt roads.
What state are you in or area of the country?
Seems like some are 10 times worse in the Winter than others.
Originally Posted by T diesel
Where are you living?

Near Buffalo, NY. Truck will turn white in the winter with the amount of salt put down. Now they are using chemicals too. Eating vehicles.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 05:25 PM
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I HIGHLY suggest looking into KROWN.
https://www.krown.com/en/
It works.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 05:47 PM
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 08:35 PM
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Krown is the system I was trying to think of earlier that sounds good but I've never tried it.

People say harsh chemicals are used today that eat cars. That's not really true. The only ingredient that's used is salt. It's sometimes dissolved in water to help it stick to the road instead of bouncing off when applied as rock salt. Often it's sodium chloride because it's cheap. And sometimes it's calcium chloride because it's 50% more effective than sodium chloride. Any salt that dissolves in water will melt ice it's just that the chloride salts are cheap.

The chloride ion is what facilitates the rusting of iron. It will speed iron rusting as long as it's touching the metal. It's easily removed by rinsing with water. It's also very beneficial to coat metal before winter time with something like Krown, fluid film, or other moisture displacing product to stop the flow of electrons from the iron.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 09:09 PM
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They also are using magnesium chloride a lot. Also any of the ice melter in common use will also attack the aluminum body parts as well, aluminum doesn't rust, but it does corrode. It is too early to know how the aluminum body panels are going to hold up over the long haul. Aircraft are treated and retreated as needed to prevent corrosion, sometimes successfully, sometimes not.
 
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