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Old Aug 7, 2018 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by fordman75
I think the under coating cracks or gets some damage done to it and then it just holds moisture and debris against the panels.
Exactly. That barrier is a two-way street. Any moisture that gets in, can't get out. It also does a really good job of hiding what is going on behind it, until it's too late to save the part. That's exactly why I don't like powder coating. That very durability that people love about it does the same great job of hiding rust while it destroys parts. I've seen it many times.

The old timers had it right - keep it oily. A coating of oil will not trap moisture, but it will keep the oxygen away which greatly retards rust. A leaking front main seal is better rust protection than the best undercoating!


 
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Old Aug 7, 2018 | 09:56 AM
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I've been using phosphoric acid based rust inhibitors.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013F9SM3Y/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013F9SM3Y/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I live in TX so rust is not a big issue here, but I go skiing to NM and CO. These rust inhibitors can be applied with a spray bottle. It leaves a white patina and I just touch it with black rattle can.

If you have ever cleaned a very rusted piece by leaving it inside a bucket with Coke, phosphoric Acid is what did the trick.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2018 | 05:51 PM
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Phosphoric acid isn't a rust inhibitor, per se, but rather, a rust converter. It converts the iron oxide to iron phosphate, which doesn't further rust. However, it does not prevent new rust from forming on non-rusted steel.

There are paints which have phosphoric acid built in. If you are going to paint, I'd choose one of those.

I still prefer oil, though.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2018 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by wirelessengineer
Phosphoric acid isn't a rust inhibitor, per se, but rather, a rust converter. It converts the iron oxide to iron phosphate, which doesn't further rust. However, it does not prevent new rust from forming on non-rusted steel.

There are paints which have phosphoric acid built in. If you are going to paint, I'd choose one of those.

I still prefer oil, though.
The Phosphoric acid is basically similar to what POR-15 uses as their Metal ready/metal prep step before you apply the POR-15 paint. Not only does it convert any current rust it also etches clean metal. Which helps with paint adhesion. I'm a big fan of the POR-15 products. All my projects get their paint and I use their products on the rain gutters too. I use their POR Patch in place of seam sealer on the rain gutters. Once that is in place, no more rust worries on the rain gutters. It's just not cheap to do that!

Speaking of oil. Ford redesigned their oil pan gaskets in 87 on the 300/4.9L. Well the new designed worked too well and they started having issues with oil pans rusting thru. They didn't have that issue in the past because they'd leak enough oil to coat the pans. Which helped keep them from rusting as bad. I heard this from a Ford employee.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2018 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fordman75
The Phosphoric acid is basically what POR-15 uses as their Metal ready/metal prep step before you apply the POR-15 paint.
I guess I should have guessed that from the name!

Originally Posted by fordman75
Speaking of oil. Ford redesigned their oil pan gaskets in 87 on the 300/4.9L. Well the new designed worked too well and they started having issues with oil pans rusting thru. They didn't have that issue in the past because they'd leak enough oil to coat the pans. Which helped keep them from rusting as bad. I heard this from a Ford employee.
I'm not surprised!

Old-timers used to just spray the underside with used engine oil. Step 2 is to drive down a dirt road. It made a nice coating that stayed in place for months.

Of course, none of us would ever do something so environmentally unfriendly, no matter how cheap it was and how well it worked. Right?

 
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