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Old Jul 24, 2018 | 10:07 AM
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Screaming 5.4L

Just went on a 2000 miles camping trip towing a 8200# camper with my 5.4L 6 speed. Normally on flat roads I easily us OD. Sometimes with head winds and moderate hills I downshift to 4th and occasionally 3rd depending on terrain.

This trip thru the mountains of PA and upper state NY I was going up some very steep grades and had to downshift to 2nd. Running at 4-4.3K for extended periods of time..

so the question, since peak HP is at 5K, is there any reason why this little motor wouldn't want to rev close to the peak HP for extended periods of time? I know it sounds like it's going to explode but it's a gasser and it needs the RPM's. I am not trying to win a race, just keeping pace up the steep grades.

I do have a OBDII Bluetooth scan tool in which I can monitor coolant temp better than the idiot gauge.

 
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Old Jul 24, 2018 | 11:23 AM
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5.4 in a SD, pulling 8200# likely will not keep up the pace with much of anything modern. Only thing one can do is back out of it a little.
 
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Old Jul 24, 2018 | 11:36 AM
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I will say that it is under powered compared to today's standards, I guess what I am wondering is how well the little' 5.4 holds up to high RPM's for a decent duration....I know friends we went with have a 2016 GMC 6L DRW towing just over what I am and it also screams when towing up hills too...(automatic in their case)
 
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Old Jul 24, 2018 | 02:10 PM
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Let it rev, it's what it's designed to do.

If you want to to not scream as much, 4.10 or better yet 4.30 gears will help it quite a bit.

Other than that, it will seem as if it's screaming but it's really doing it's best work.
 
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Old Jul 24, 2018 | 02:27 PM
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I don't think it hurts much except fuel mileage. I will let my 2001 5.4 rev (4.10 gears) , but will generally back off to 3500 if I'm pulling a long grade. At some point, it seems easier to just slow down than listen to engine rev so high.
 
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Old Jul 24, 2018 | 02:55 PM
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The motor is designed to rev like that it’s fine your not going to hurt it. The computer won’t let you over rev it. The modular motors as well as the rest of the current gas motors are going to rev in that situation.
 
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Old Jul 24, 2018 | 07:39 PM
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I tow my parents camper which is approximately 9k through pa for them with my 5.4 F350 BUT I have 4.30 gears. My truck has zero issues staying at highway speed and on a rare occasion will it drop multiple gears and scream at 4 or 5k. Other than that she pulls with no problems, I'm sure if I was in the rocky mountains or something it would be worse but who knows

 
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 07:40 AM
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Rpm is the death of an engine. Extended rpm is not good, regardless of what anyone will tell you. Elevated bearig speed is never a good thing, ever. The 5.4 should never have been used in a super duty that will tow weight.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 09:02 AM
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Rpm is the death of an engine. Extended rpm is not good, regardless of what anyone will tell you. Elevated bearing speed is never a good thing, ever. The 5.4 should never have been used in a super duty that will tow weight.
The whole thing is kind of a oxymoron, high RPM's are bad, but most new gassers the power band is 4 to 5K....Ughhh
 
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 09:23 AM
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I had a Triton V10 and you'd think it was going to jump right out of the floorboard. It rev'd 5k a lot going up hills.

Not good for it to red line or not for very long, and if there is a weak part (valve, push rod, etc), it could blow.

I cannot imagine a Triton 5.4 gas in a Super Duty... Are you sure it is a 5.4L? Did Ford really put 5.4's in Super Duty?
 
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by kurthb
The whole thing is kind of a oxymoron, high RPM's are bad, but most new gassers the power band is 4 to 5K....Ughhh
I agree. RPM will never be the friend of longevity, ever. In the last 20 years of building small block ford racing engines and doing countless amount of refreshes on customer engines, the ones who have dropped 1000 rpm or more by re-gearing or other means have extended the interval between refreshes dramatically. I may be the minority but a 5.4 in a 250 is what I call a home depot 2x4 type of truck. Dragging around a 6000-7000k lb truck with another 5000 or more hooked up to it is a disaster in my opinion.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 09:31 AM
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I had a Triton V10 and you'd think it was going to jump right out of the floorboard. It rev'd 5k a lot going up hills.

Not good for it to red line or not for very long, and if there is a weak part (valve, push rod, etc), it could blow.

I cannot imagine a Triton 5.4 gas in a Super Duty... Are you sure it is a 5.4L? Did Ford really put 5.4's in Super Duty?

Yup 5.4 w/4.10's I had a 2005 V10 but wanted a manual transmission so at the time I found a 5.4, The V10 likes to rev just like the V8.

I agree that the 5.4 is a bit small for a super duty...it does a decent job, but I am not going to win any races.
 

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I've owned a 2003 f350 with the 5.4 for eleven years now and it's just turning over 300,000 kilometres. It's pulled campers, boats, horse trailers, flat decks, etc etc etc. Synthetic oil in it always and I've only done plugs, filters, brakes, and one fuel, pump. I have flogged that truck ridiculously hard over and over and over again. So I can't help but just laugh at some of these comments. Original drivetrain entirely. Nothing has been or needed repair. Motor, tranny, transfer case and both diffs all original.

 
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 11:34 AM
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There are unicorns in every category. The 6.4 was the best diesel ever. Never had to fix a single thing.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 11:40 AM
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We do realize, most (90%) of reviews and various posts are from those that have problems. People with no issues tend to remain quiet.

So Ford and others put out millions of vehicles and there are going to be some with problems (some manufacture and some owner caused).

Those are the ones most likely to take the time to bash the product/service online.

So what's the real factor? What's the real data? What are the real numbers?
 
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