Thinking Out Load
#1
07-13-2018, 02:04 PM
Thinking Out Load
Presently bought back my old 1990 F350 S/C Dually 2WD with a 460 EFI and a ZF-5 trans and S&S 11SC Cabover Camper.
As I get older and the knees are getting worse I'm thinking about getting a slush box and ditch the ZF-5. Has anyone done a 6.8 V10 and torque-shift swap into an older truck? Is the even enough room in the engine bay for it? The truck is in "cream puff" condition and I'd like the more modern tech in him.
As I get older and the knees are getting worse I'm thinking about getting a slush box and ditch the ZF-5. Has anyone done a 6.8 V10 and torque-shift swap into an older truck? Is the even enough room in the engine bay for it? The truck is in "cream puff" condition and I'd like the more modern tech in him.
#2
07-14-2018, 09:21 AM
It can be done, a guy has done Ecoboost swaps into even older trucks. Problem with the Torqshift is that to support the PCM and all the other electronics, you'll need the dashboard, and maybe even the ABS system.
Although I do think someone makes a controller for the Torqshift, and you could get a manual-transmission PCM for the V10.
Although I do think someone makes a controller for the Torqshift, and you could get a manual-transmission PCM for the V10.
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07-14-2018, 11:02 PM
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07-15-2018, 12:05 PM
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07-15-2018, 12:11 PM
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#6
07-15-2018, 05:36 PM
The manual doesn't really bother me since Red's purpose is to haul the Camper and isn't my DD, I have a 2011 Ranger for that. The reason for the "swap" would be to gain power and economy. The 460 is a VERY THIRSTY engine and the V10 has more power, is smother, and gets better mileage. I average 10.5 mpg with the C/O coming in at 10,600lbs. A 65 mph, and 9.5 towing anything behind it with the C/O. Since the truck is in such good shape I'd hate to replace it and was looking at putting in a newer drivetrain if the 460 ever gives out.
#7
07-15-2018, 06:21 PM
I don’t know what a C/O is, but I know you will get far less than 10.5mpg towing 10,000lbs with a v10.
With that said I’d take a v10 over a 460 also. The problem is that in order to do this fantasy swap; you’d have to swap the entire electrical system and probably transmission also. You would basically have a 200x truck with your 1990 body draped on top of it.
If you actually did the swap youd be the 2nd most popular guy here on FTE. (1st place is the guy that put the v10 in the 1960’s Mustang).
But it’s a tremendous project and odds are that you won’t be up for it if your knees are already disliking the stick shift
lots of work and research and money. And then more money.
With that said I’d take a v10 over a 460 also. The problem is that in order to do this fantasy swap; you’d have to swap the entire electrical system and probably transmission also. You would basically have a 200x truck with your 1990 body draped on top of it.
If you actually did the swap youd be the 2nd most popular guy here on FTE. (1st place is the guy that put the v10 in the 1960’s Mustang).
But it’s a tremendous project and odds are that you won’t be up for it if your knees are already disliking the stick shift
lots of work and research and money. And then more money.
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#8
07-16-2018, 03:56 PM
C/O= Cabover the bigg-azz camper thats on its back all the time, and the truck sits a just over 10K loaded, so I believe that the V10 will give me better mileage, and I was checking on the feasibility of the swap. If I have to change the whole electrics and dash over......it wouldn't be worth the trouble.
#9
07-16-2018, 04:39 PM
It's easier to put a 2-valve V10 in than a 3-valve, and use a 4R100, but then, I'm not sure how much that would do for you.
A reasonably well-rebuilt 460, a decent cam especially a roller that has great low-end-torque, a decent amount of compression (9:1 or so), and heads that can breathe, I think you'd be far better off than using a V10. Yeah, I said it
Better off, because you won't have to go nuts fabricating things. If you want a slush-box, get an E4OD.
A reasonably well-rebuilt 460, a decent cam especially a roller that has great low-end-torque, a decent amount of compression (9:1 or so), and heads that can breathe, I think you'd be far better off than using a V10. Yeah, I said it
Better off, because you won't have to go nuts fabricating things. If you want a slush-box, get an E4OD.
#10
07-17-2018, 12:04 AM
#11
07-17-2018, 12:41 PM
I'm pretty sure the E4OD is the same as the 4R100 in one respect: DO NOT let it get much above 230 degrees fluid temperature. Get a tranny temp gauge and keep an eye on it, and they do fine. I think.
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#12
07-17-2018, 12:55 PM
Pre-1995 E4ODs had some reliability problems. Many upgrades in 1995 pretty much fixed those problems. The 4R100 is just an upgraded E4OD, and due to the upgrades, is more reliable.
220F is a good upper temp limit. You can run all day long at that temp without a problem. You can go up to 250F for no more than a half hour at a time.
220F is a good upper temp limit. You can run all day long at that temp without a problem. You can go up to 250F for no more than a half hour at a time.
#13
07-17-2018, 05:06 PM
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