F100 engine swap
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F100 engine swap
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My grandpa bought a 1965 f-100 brand new and put our companies name on the door as soon as he bought it. He sold it in 1988, and I recently saw it on the side of the road for sale. (I know it's his, because the name is still on the door!!) I purchased it and would now like to get it back in shape. It came with a 352 FE engine, but would like to swap it to a 351 Windsor engine. I know I'll have to swap the transmission as well, but I know I can figure that out. My question is... I have found a 1993 351w out of an F250, I've seen forums that say you can swap the intake to put a carb back on, but will this engine work to put in a 65 F-100? I'm not very knowledgeable on anything, but I'm learning and trying to do my research! I am a mechanic on farm equipment, but that's a whole different animal... Let me know what you think. I've only decided on the 351w because I would like to make some good horse power, but still be able to cruise around. If someone looks at the engine will there be an obvious difference between the 1993 and a 60s style? It's tough to find that older era... I'd still like to somewhat keep the nostalgia of the old style pickup.
Thank you! -Brett
My grandpa bought a 1965 f-100 brand new and put our companies name on the door as soon as he bought it. He sold it in 1988, and I recently saw it on the side of the road for sale. (I know it's his, because the name is still on the door!!) I purchased it and would now like to get it back in shape. It came with a 352 FE engine, but would like to swap it to a 351 Windsor engine. I know I'll have to swap the transmission as well, but I know I can figure that out. My question is... I have found a 1993 351w out of an F250, I've seen forums that say you can swap the intake to put a carb back on, but will this engine work to put in a 65 F-100? I'm not very knowledgeable on anything, but I'm learning and trying to do my research! I am a mechanic on farm equipment, but that's a whole different animal... Let me know what you think. I've only decided on the 351w because I would like to make some good horse power, but still be able to cruise around. If someone looks at the engine will there be an obvious difference between the 1993 and a 60s style? It's tough to find that older era... I'd still like to somewhat keep the nostalgia of the old style pickup.
Thank you! -Brett
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Might check out the forum on the 351's for questions on that particular engine family. I don't see why you can't put a 351 into a '65. Just a matter of mounting it which might take a little metal fabrication. Probably have to change length of the driveshaft to mate with a different tranny.
I'm a little confused over your question of 1993 vs 60s style. As long as it has a carb of some type, most people that look under your hood won't know if its a Windsor or an FE or a Chevy 350. Seriously...95% of the people I know can't tell a chevy V8 from a Ford V8. On the other hand, anyone who knows an FE will never mistake it for a Windsor. Most, if not all FE's say "352" right on the front of the block.
Also confused why you want to swap for good horsepower and still be able to cruise. The 352 will move the truck around real nice. And if you put in some money to build it right, the FE will have you cleaning ditches.
IMO, the main benefit for switching to a 351 is a few more options on tranny especially if you want an overdrive.
I'm a little confused over your question of 1993 vs 60s style. As long as it has a carb of some type, most people that look under your hood won't know if its a Windsor or an FE or a Chevy 350. Seriously...95% of the people I know can't tell a chevy V8 from a Ford V8. On the other hand, anyone who knows an FE will never mistake it for a Windsor. Most, if not all FE's say "352" right on the front of the block.
Also confused why you want to swap for good horsepower and still be able to cruise. The 352 will move the truck around real nice. And if you put in some money to build it right, the FE will have you cleaning ditches.
IMO, the main benefit for switching to a 351 is a few more options on tranny especially if you want an overdrive.
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Personally, I'd keep the 352, it can be built to a 390 by boring it out to 390 standard (4.05"), installing the 390's crank, rods and pistons.
If installing a 351W, this engine wasn't available in F150/350 until 1981. You cannot use any of the 1980/90's engine mounting parts on a 1965/79, because they won't work.
What people do when swapping in a 351W, is to use the 1969/79 F100/150 302 or 1977/79 351M/400 2WD engine supports (they're the same). Supports are also called towers/stands/perches.
If the 1993 F250 has a 4 speed M/T, you can't use it, because all 1984/96 F150/350's have a hydraulic clutch.
Note: If the '65 F100 has 4WD, there are no 'factory' engine mounting parts from any year that will work, you'll have to buy an expensive aftermarket engine mounting kit.
If installing a 351W, this engine wasn't available in F150/350 until 1981. You cannot use any of the 1980/90's engine mounting parts on a 1965/79, because they won't work.
What people do when swapping in a 351W, is to use the 1969/79 F100/150 302 or 1977/79 351M/400 2WD engine supports (they're the same). Supports are also called towers/stands/perches.
If the 1993 F250 has a 4 speed M/T, you can't use it, because all 1984/96 F150/350's have a hydraulic clutch.
Note: If the '65 F100 has 4WD, there are no 'factory' engine mounting parts from any year that will work, you'll have to buy an expensive aftermarket engine mounting kit.
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[QUOTE=NumberDummy;18056582]Personally, I'd keep the 352, it can be built to a 390 by boring it out to 390 standard (4.05"), installing the 390's crank, rods and pistons.
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Lot of people like to bore an engine. My preference is to leave the meat there for future builds since these engines are no longer made. Only remove enough metal to clean up the cylinders. You can get any size custom pistons you want if needed. Definitely cheapest to use crank and rods from a 390 to make more power. Can also stroke it to 4.25 and make it displace 427 inches if more power is the goal. Lot of options for making more power.
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Lot of people like to bore an engine. My preference is to leave the meat there for future builds since these engines are no longer made. Only remove enough metal to clean up the cylinders. You can get any size custom pistons you want if needed. Definitely cheapest to use crank and rods from a 390 to make more power. Can also stroke it to 4.25 and make it displace 427 inches if more power is the goal. Lot of options for making more power.
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If you wanted to go whole hog, the 351W can be stroked to a 363, 383, 408, 427 or, with a Ford Performance siamese piston bore block, it could be stroked to a 454. Big-block power from a small-block size and without the weight penalty. Both stock and performance parts are widely available for a 351W and there are multiple overdrive transmissions that will directly couple up to it.
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I was going to swap in the 428, but the block was cracked.
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Interesting perspective though I hope not. I like to think there's more miles ahead. I will say there's never been a better time to build an FE or a small block than right now. Aftermarket support for both families allows for more possibilities than when either engine was still in production. Both engines can be stroked to the moon, heads, intakes, pistons, you name it.
A little different perspective might be to build which ever engine with a look to the future. For instance, I can see my current FE going into a slightly newer truck ...70's or even into the 80's. The FE's and small blocks are relatively simple, each makes plenty of power, and IMO get about the same fuel economy as equivalent modern naturally aspirated engines making similar power.
And should E85 take over, swap fuel pump and carb (or modify to work with ethanol), and up the compression a smidge to get back on the road.
A little different perspective might be to build which ever engine with a look to the future. For instance, I can see my current FE going into a slightly newer truck ...70's or even into the 80's. The FE's and small blocks are relatively simple, each makes plenty of power, and IMO get about the same fuel economy as equivalent modern naturally aspirated engines making similar power.
And should E85 take over, swap fuel pump and carb (or modify to work with ethanol), and up the compression a smidge to get back on the road.
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I'll throw my 2 cents in here. That 351W is a fuel injected engine. Just to make it run in a 65, short of swapping in a computer and all the wiring, you will have to change the manifold and add a carburetor also the distributor and the wiring associated with that unless you go with points. I'm pretty sure you will have to replace the front cover and add a fuel pump eccentric which means you will need a new timing set to do that. Not to mention rounding up all the parts it will take just to get it bolted in there. And in the end you probably won't have any more power than a healthy 352 would have.
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Not familiar with the 351w enough to compare to the 302 with regards to performance and MPG, having said that, have both the 390 @ 9 mpg, and 302 @ 19 mpg, with Ca. fuel costing $4 plus/ gal.with additional gas tax pending it's a no brainer as to which truck family uses as a daily driver. Anyhow, had an urge to chime in.
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Not familiar with the 351w enough to compare to the 302 with regards to performance and MPG, having said that, have both the 390 @ 9 mpg, and 302 @ 19 mpg, with Ca. fuel costing $4 plus/ gal.with additional gas tax pending it's a no brainer as to which truck family uses as a daily driver. Anyhow, had an urge to chime in.
Several years ago, there was Union station in Brentwood (L/A 90049) that was selling 105 octane for 12 bucks a gallon!
btw: I filled up several days ago at a Shell station in 1000 Stumps: $3.85 a gallon for 87.
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Bill, trying to look at the bright side keep in mind our Ca.. elected officials past the 'carbon tax'/cap & trade legislation where an additional 12 cents / gal. is pending, that does not include the additional transportation tax.There is a bright side, as a wannabe Arizonian petrol runs $2.75/ gal. unless of coarse the Arizona legislators decide they will no longer allow Californians to seek asylum in their great state at which point I can always move to Indio Ca. cross-over and save couple $/gal.
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We welcome newcomers that will love Arizona the way it is, and help keep it great.
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Problem with Californians moving here (and there are lots of them) is that they insist on changing our great state. Seems they want it to become that which they were forced to flee. I think they are shocked to see that the rest of the country is not like California and many won't accept it. To them, we're just gun loving, God fearing hillbillies that don't know anything about progress and insist on living in the dark ages.
We welcome newcomers that will love Arizona the way it is, and help keep it great.
Sorry. Rant over.
We welcome newcomers that will love Arizona the way it is, and help keep it great.
Sorry. Rant over.
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I agree with you about how bad it is getting here in Kali. BUT, And I mean A BIG BUT,,,,, there are a whole lot of us here that are going to do our part in trying to bring this State back to some kind of SANE. We've been complacent and let the Kommunists take hold. The laws in this state have been broken over and over many times and they think they can continue to do so. There is a sleeping giant in this State and its starting to wake up. Those law breakers in this State, might want to pay attention.
Now with that said, there are rules about posting political things on this web site and I apologize, and will never again air my ideas on politics on this site again...
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Now with that said, there are rules about posting political things on this web site and I apologize, and will never again air my ideas on politics on this site again...
If you don't like what's going on, either here in Kali or in your State - VOTE.