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Old Jun 4, 2018 | 05:16 PM
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I was under the impression that the HPOP would be returned to the customer with new fittings including new o-rings and loctite. I might be wrong on this.

The non-check valve HPOP fittings simply remove the disc and spring from the fitting. RiffRaff sells "high flow" fittings which are welled out a bit.

You can see them in the picture below going off memory of what they look like.

 
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Old Jun 4, 2018 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by brian42
...Hopefully it's just this fitting. If not it's back to the drawing board.
Yeah I'm surprised the leak is from those fittings. I just pulled my HPOP a year ago because the non-serviceable plug was leaking, but stock and after 15 years of running, those fitting showed no indication of leaking. But I feel your pain. Since it had it out, I did replace the fitting with the non-check valve type I got from Riff Raff because they were a lot cheaper. I heard it might start slower but after the air cleared out of the lines, it starts just as quick as before. However, a year later, I have a new oil leak at the back of the engine, looks like around the turbo. I haven't had the heart to tear it down yet. I am starting to lose ambition in my mid-seventies. But only two leaks in 11 years (I bought it used in 07). I'd be going crazy (and broke or both) with all the leak trouble you've had.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Sous
I was under the impression that the HPOP would be returned to the customer with new fittings including new o-rings and loctite. I might be wrong on this.
My pump came back re-sealed. I did not request any specific non-OEM fittings (e.g. "high flow" outlet fittings) so did not receive anything different than what I sent. Now that you mention this he may have put new outlet fittings on there. I got back what I sent so I just assumed he re-used mine but he could have easily put new OEM fittings on there. It was evident that they had been removed and re-installed. I knew that everything was re-sealed and the fittings could have easily been new also.

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I have a new oil leak at the back of the engine, looks like around the turbo. I haven't had the heart to tear it down yet. I am starting to lose ambition in my mid-seventies. But only two leaks in 11 years (I bought it used in 07). I'd be going crazy (and broke or both) with all the leak trouble you've had.
2 leaks in 11 years is great. I "only" just turned 50 and I'm starting to lose my motivation to pop the hood.

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Yeah I'm surprised the leak is from those fittings.
I am too. When the oil started streaming onto the ground I opened the hood and started poking around with a flashlight. The forward HPOP fitting had a steady flow of oil coming out of it and I could see a bit of the o-ring sticking out. Everything else is covered in oil (from this and other things...I gave up cleaning the block a long time ago) so I don't know if this is the sole cause of my problem or not. Short of pulling everything out, cleaning things up, then camping out with a flashlight and a good book, this is my quickest option to getting the Money Pit back on the road.

I am confident that this might solve the issue though. In case it's not evident the new fitting is on the left ...

 
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 11:54 AM
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Are you still supposed to put lock tight on the threads? There's a lot of pressure there. I know when I got mine I had to call around to find out how to remove the lines. He got back with Clay and they asked me if I removed the fitting. I hadn't. I made a 9/16 old wrench I had work for the clamp. I'm pretty sure that was your problem for sure.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 02:26 PM
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Yes, Loctite 680. It only goes on the first 3 threads and helps seal the fitting to the pump. The fitting is only torqued to 25 ft-lbs so the o-ring is the main pressure boundary. Doesn't seem like much to hold back 3000+ psi but it does.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 03:14 PM
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Looks like you found the problem Brian. At least it was the front fitting too.

I hope you have many more miles of leak free fun in your truck now.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 04:49 PM
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Yep, that o ring look like it might leak!
 
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 04:57 PM
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I hope you have many more miles of leak free fun in your truck now.
I wish! Once this is repaired it's on to the coolant leak. After that it's the power steering that's picked up enough steam that I have to top off the reservoir every 3-4 days now. Unless one of my two pressure lines/fittings that I installed 3 months ago have prematurely failed it looks like I'm in for another steering gear.

Depending on if that one fitting was the issue my wallet will only support a lower water pump connection and coolant flush right now so the steering gear will have to wait. The A1 Cardone gear lasted longer than I though but less than I hoped (2 years). Don't know if there is anyone that makes a new gear but the only reman way I'll go this time is either Redhead or Blue-Top. With the recent slide in some of the more popular vendors along with the cost savings I might be giving Blue-Top a try.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 05:22 PM
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By Blue-top do you mean Ford reman for the steering gear?

My first AutoZone gear was leaking from the output shaft, very slowly though. So slow that it would not even leave a drop on the ground. I could look up at it though and see a drip just waiting to come down. The second one (free under lifetime warranty) has done well so far. I could not see myself paying $500 for a Redhead with the shipping and half *** core refund because I would be returning a non-Ford OEM part.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 05:46 PM
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Don't know if there is anyone that makes a new gear but the only reman way I'll go this time is either Redhead or Blue-Top. With the recent slide in some of the more popular vendors along with the cost savings I might be giving Blue-Top a try.
I put in a Blue-top this weekend. I’ll report back on how the core return goes as well as if I have any issues. Recent posts here at FTE steered me away from Redhead.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 05:50 PM
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By Blue-top do you mean Ford reman for the steering gear?
Blue-top is a newish steering gear rebuilder in ND started by a former Redhead employee. Lower gear cost, core charge, and shipping. So far has a positive internet following. The gear cost was in line with a Ford reman.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 08:33 PM
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Well holy crap... A steering gear that is not Redhead since their quality control seems to have taken a dive.

Just Googled the shop, thanks for the info on the Blue-Top gears.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 08:50 PM
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I put in a Blue-top this weekend. I’ll report back on how the core return goes as well as if I have any issues. Recent posts here at FTE steered me away from Redhead.
Following your thread is where I learned of them and it piqued my interest. Looking forward to your impression of the Blue-Top as I’m not far off from retiring my A1 Cardone.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 08:51 AM
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Blue-top is a newish steering gear rebuilder in ND started by a former Redhead employee. Lower gear cost, core charge, and shipping. So far has a positive internet following. The gear cost was in line with a Ford reman.
After reading through their site, they are "newish" in their current ownership adn format only... they've been in the steering gear business for 25 years which means they have a solid background for the "newish-ness" of their current operation.


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Well holy crap... A steering gear that is not Redhead since their quality control seems to have taken a dive.
Just Googled the shop, thanks for the info on the Blue-Top gears.
I Googled and read through the website, too, Sous, and I have to say that I'm duly impressed with the potential option they provide, especially at a lower-than-the-other-"premium"-guy's price point. At this cost point, I might just have to add it to the "refresh" projects I'm planning for this summer.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 01:29 PM
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I read threw there site also. Sent them an e-mail, waiting to here back.
 
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