CA noncom class A
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Thanks for the info!
The part about having to fight a ticket because of axle rating vs GVWR is absolutely baffling to me... If I understand you correctly, that is. The whole Class A thing in California really seems backwards to me. Are you going to continue to pursue your license with borrowed or rented trailer or anything?
Is the permanent plates that aren't renewed annually the standard for RV trailers? I never thought about how trailers are registered. I guess I assumed it was similar to a vehicle where you pay each year and add a sticker to the plate.
The part about having to fight a ticket because of axle rating vs GVWR is absolutely baffling to me... If I understand you correctly, that is. The whole Class A thing in California really seems backwards to me. Are you going to continue to pursue your license with borrowed or rented trailer or anything?
Is the permanent plates that aren't renewed annually the standard for RV trailers? I never thought about how trailers are registered. I guess I assumed it was similar to a vehicle where you pay each year and add a sticker to the plate.
What part is baffling? The trailer, as sold by the manufacturer, is titled at 9900 lb max gvw for licensing and registration, as well as insurance purposes, despite the fact that it has oversized axles.
If you want to legally tow 14000 lb, you need to step up and buy a trailer titled, licensed, and certified for that limit, and pay the increased license and insurance fees.
Simple.
There’s a reason my 24’ enclosed trailer was titled by the manufacturer at 9960 lbs instead of 10001 lbs.
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What part is baffling? The trailer, as sold by the manufacturer, is titled at 9900 lb max gvw for licensing and registration, as well as insurance purposes, despite the fact that it has oversized axles.
If you want to legally tow 14000 lb, you need to step up and buy a trailer titled, licensed, and certified for that limit, and pay the increased license and insurance fees.
Simple.
There’s a reason my 24’ enclosed trailer was titled by the manufacturer at 9960 lbs instead of 10001 lbs.
Thanks again to everyone that's taken the time to contribute to this thread.
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You got me curious. This is what I found which says a class a non-commercial is not the same as commercial:
23152 (d) It is unlawful for a person who has 0.04 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood to drive a commercial motor vehicle, as defined in Section 15210. In a prosecution under this subdivision, it is a rebuttable presumption that the person had 0.04 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood at the time of driving the vehicle if the person had 0.04 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood at the time of the performance of a chemical test within three hours after the driving.
15210 Notwithstanding any other provision of this code, as used in this chapter, the following terms have the following meanings:
(b) (1) “Commercial motor vehicle” means any vehicle or combination of vehicles that requires a class A or class B license, or a class C license with an endorsement issued pursuant to paragraph (2), (3), (4), or (5) of subdivision (a) of Section 15278.
15278(a) A driver is required to obtain an endorsement issued by the department to operate any commercial motor vehicle that is any of the following:
(1) A double trailer.
(2) A passenger transportation vehicle, which includes, but is not limited to, a bus, farm labor vehicle, or general public paratransit vehicle when designed, used, or maintained to carry more than 10 persons including the driver.
(3) A schoolbus.
(4) A tank vehicle.
(5) A vehicle carrying hazardous materials, as defined in Section 353, that is required to display placards pursuant to Section 27903, unless the driver is exempt from the endorsement requirement as provided in subdivision (b). This paragraph does not apply to any person operating an implement of husbandry who is not required to obtain a driver’s license under this code.
(b) This section does not apply to any person operating a vehicle in an emergency situation at the direction of a peace officer pursuant to Section 2800.
So a truck and 5th wheel is not included in the section above, therefore it is not considered a commercial motor vehicle. This is what I found that says your truck and trailer are considered a "vehicle" and not a "commercial vehicle":
23152 (a) It is unlawful for a person who is under the influence of any alcoholic beverage to drive a vehicle.
(b) It is unlawful for a person who has 0.08 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood to drive a vehicle.
415 (a) A “motor vehicle” is a vehicle that is self-propelled.
(b) “Motor vehicle” does not include a self-propelled wheelchair, motorized tricycle, or motorized quadricycle, if operated by a person who, by reason of physical disability, is otherwise unable to move about as a pedestrian.
(c) For purposes of Chapter 6 (commencing with Section 3000) of Division 2, “motor vehicle” includes a recreational vehicle as that term is defined in subdivision (a) of Section 18010 of the Health and Safety Code, but does not include a truck camper.
18010 “Recreational vehicle” means both of the following:
(a) A motor home, travel trailer, truck camper, or camping trailer, with or without motive power, designed for human habitation for recreational, emergency, or other occupancy, that meets all of the following criteria:
(1) It contains less than 320 square feet of internal living room area, excluding built-in equipment, including, but not limited to, wardrobe, closets, cabinets, kitchen units or fixtures, and bath or toilet rooms.
(2) It contains 400 square feet or less of gross area measured at maximum horizontal projections.
(3) It is built on a single chassis.
(4) It is either self-propelled, truck-mounted, or permanently towable on the highways without a permit.
(b) A park trailer, as defined in Section 18009.3.
So according to that, you are not subject to the .04 BAC limit.
I got all this info from California's legal information website
Law section
23152 (d) It is unlawful for a person who has 0.04 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood to drive a commercial motor vehicle, as defined in Section 15210. In a prosecution under this subdivision, it is a rebuttable presumption that the person had 0.04 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood at the time of driving the vehicle if the person had 0.04 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood at the time of the performance of a chemical test within three hours after the driving.
15210 Notwithstanding any other provision of this code, as used in this chapter, the following terms have the following meanings:
(b) (1) “Commercial motor vehicle” means any vehicle or combination of vehicles that requires a class A or class B license, or a class C license with an endorsement issued pursuant to paragraph (2), (3), (4), or (5) of subdivision (a) of Section 15278.
15278(a) A driver is required to obtain an endorsement issued by the department to operate any commercial motor vehicle that is any of the following:
(1) A double trailer.
(2) A passenger transportation vehicle, which includes, but is not limited to, a bus, farm labor vehicle, or general public paratransit vehicle when designed, used, or maintained to carry more than 10 persons including the driver.
(3) A schoolbus.
(4) A tank vehicle.
(5) A vehicle carrying hazardous materials, as defined in Section 353, that is required to display placards pursuant to Section 27903, unless the driver is exempt from the endorsement requirement as provided in subdivision (b). This paragraph does not apply to any person operating an implement of husbandry who is not required to obtain a driver’s license under this code.
(b) This section does not apply to any person operating a vehicle in an emergency situation at the direction of a peace officer pursuant to Section 2800.
So a truck and 5th wheel is not included in the section above, therefore it is not considered a commercial motor vehicle. This is what I found that says your truck and trailer are considered a "vehicle" and not a "commercial vehicle":
23152 (a) It is unlawful for a person who is under the influence of any alcoholic beverage to drive a vehicle.
(b) It is unlawful for a person who has 0.08 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood to drive a vehicle.
415 (a) A “motor vehicle” is a vehicle that is self-propelled.
(b) “Motor vehicle” does not include a self-propelled wheelchair, motorized tricycle, or motorized quadricycle, if operated by a person who, by reason of physical disability, is otherwise unable to move about as a pedestrian.
(c) For purposes of Chapter 6 (commencing with Section 3000) of Division 2, “motor vehicle” includes a recreational vehicle as that term is defined in subdivision (a) of Section 18010 of the Health and Safety Code, but does not include a truck camper.
18010 “Recreational vehicle” means both of the following:
(a) A motor home, travel trailer, truck camper, or camping trailer, with or without motive power, designed for human habitation for recreational, emergency, or other occupancy, that meets all of the following criteria:
(1) It contains less than 320 square feet of internal living room area, excluding built-in equipment, including, but not limited to, wardrobe, closets, cabinets, kitchen units or fixtures, and bath or toilet rooms.
(2) It contains 400 square feet or less of gross area measured at maximum horizontal projections.
(3) It is built on a single chassis.
(4) It is either self-propelled, truck-mounted, or permanently towable on the highways without a permit.
(b) A park trailer, as defined in Section 18009.3.
So according to that, you are not subject to the .04 BAC limit.
I got all this info from California's legal information website
Law section
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Oh maybe I misunderstood the previous post... I thought the trailer had a sticker for less than 10k but because because he had 3 axles with total combined rating more than 10k that chp would give him a ticket he'd have to fight. I was troubled by what sounded like the ability for authorities to pick and choose how something like that is determined. Then again I guess the law could be written that way in which case I'll take my troubled and baffled self elsewhere, lol.
Thanks again to everyone that's taken the time to contribute to this thread.
Thanks again to everyone that's taken the time to contribute to this thread.
I have tried twice now to get my non-commercial class A, but since trailer is stamped 9500, they will not allow me to take test with that trailer, and finding a pull behind with a GTW over 10k is very difficult around my hood. Everything else is done and even my truck is registered for the correct total capacity so I am 100% legal (excluding the license).
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