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Old May 11, 2018 | 02:19 PM
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Rear diff bearings to press

Going to install the new ring and pinion this weekend along with the Detroit Truetrac. I’m taking the bearing kit and pinion down tomorrow morning to get pressed on. From the exploded diagram I’m using, all I need to do is press on the carrier bearings on either side, just bottom then out. The inner pinion bearing also gets pressed on after sliding on the pinion shim, does that sound correct? I haven’t cracked open the Yukon rebuild kit, so I’m assuming the pinion shim is pretty noticeable? I’m also using a crush sleeve eliminator. Those bearing should be the only 3 I need pressed on, correct?
 
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Old May 11, 2018 | 02:47 PM
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What differential do you have?
Before you go yankin' and pullin' on the carrier be aware of the number of shims that'll be on the left and right side.....depending on your setup. Keep the berrin caps separate (L, R) too. Observe what comes out of the pinion shaft after you yank the seal.
Depending on the setup and backlash shims you might be playing tag with the machine shop as far as pinion depth on run/coast and then the carrier's backlash.

If the shims are worn and need replacing, you could be sleeping at the machine shop.......with the rear end in yer arms......
 
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Old May 11, 2018 | 03:22 PM
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Apologies, Sterling 10.25 rear end. It’s my personal press, just haven’t moved it yet from my farm. I’m replacing the diff and gears, plan on replacing everything.

ill pull the original pinion bearing and open up the inside diameter a bit to use for setting it up, and press on the new bearing once everything is set up.
 
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Old May 11, 2018 | 03:28 PM
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I always get a 2nd set of bearings and hone out the insides so they are a soft press fit, like by hand and use them for mockup.
Once you have the right shims in the right place I press on the other set of bearings.
Once the good bearing& shims are in place re-check everything just to make sure everything is good.
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Old May 11, 2018 | 03:52 PM
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Carrier bearings can be pressed and done with new ones right off the bat, as the shims are on the outside of the bearings. I plan on using the old pinion bearings for setup, like you said, and install the new ones once everything is checked. Not sure how much of the measurements I can use from the old carrier and gear set, as I’m replacing the whole deal. But I’ll get some pinion depth measurements.
 
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Old May 11, 2018 | 04:05 PM
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There are 2 reasons why I don't like to use used bearing for setup.
1- they can be of different manf. than the new ones so can be off a little.
2- They are warn some and will be off a little. If you look over the book it gives different specs for new & old bearings.

Now on the pinion inner bearing the shims go first then the bearing right?
IIRC if you have the right shims you can put them behind the bearing race & housing to get the same results right?
I did this on one my mine but cant remember if it was a GM10 bolt or my AMC 20 in the drag car?
This way you can press on the pinion bearing and be done but if you need to change the shims it is easy to use a drift punch to drive out the race & swap shims.
just my .02
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Old May 11, 2018 | 04:17 PM
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I’m not sure on the bearings and shims and what came first. Both are timkin bearings but you bring up a good point, I may pull the bearing and race and measure overall thickness. Maybe that’ll help?
 
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Yes measure everything and mark it down some place so you know what the old one stared with and can use that as a starting place for the new one.

Look over the shims for the pinion and see if they can be put under the race for that same bearing as that should do the same thing of moving the pinion gear closer to the center line IIRC.
One of the rears I did they no longer made the shims to fit on the gear so the kit came with ones to fit under the bearing race. Worked out great as you could knock the race out to change shims.
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Definatley mic out the old shims and keep track of 'em...the whole shebang, meaning all of the shims' total dimensions and the individual ones as well. Before any install, as you know, mic out the new shims, too....get the total as close as you can with the new ones. A wee bit bigger is OK...
I like to keep the new shims with the object(s) they're going in.

And, yes, on the pinion the shims go first, then the berrin.

The Sterling azz end is nice to work on and easy enough to get the correct backspace.

Would you take a little tip? Before you yank everything, run some yellow....or blue marking paste on the gears and turn the gears one time to see where they line up.....This is just a "fer instance" type of deal and it might help when you're fiddlin' and diddlin' with the pinion depth and backspace.
 
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Old May 11, 2018 | 06:27 PM
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Good tip, just to see where it lined up and wear pattern before using those numbers on shims?
 
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Yessuh, that's the idea...
 
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Originally Posted by crucialprospect
Going to install the new ring and pinion this weekend along with the Detroit Truetrac. I’m taking the bearing kit and pinion down tomorrow morning to get pressed on. From the exploded diagram I’m using, all I need to do is press on the carrier bearings on either side, just bottom then out. The inner pinion bearing also gets pressed on after sliding on the pinion shim, does that sound correct? I haven’t cracked open the Yukon rebuild kit, so I’m assuming the pinion shim is pretty noticeable? I’m also using a crush sleeve eliminator. Those bearing should be the only 3 I need pressed on, correct?
You don't really need a press to install those bearings, put the pinion and carrier in the freezer for a couple hours at least and put your bearings in the oven at 350* for 30 minutes and they will sometimes slip right on or you may have to drive them on slightly with a big socket or piece of pipe that fits on the inner race (don't hit the bearing cage) and a big dead blow hammer or a block of wood and regular hammer. Since the Ford/Sterling 10.25 uses outboard carrier shims you can go ahead and install the new carrier bearings. For the pinion you have to adjust the shim thinness between the inner pinion bearing and the pinion to set your pinion depth, you can't just use the old shim and press the bearing on (sometimes you get lucky and the pattern will be correct) because if your pinion depth needs adjusted you have to pull that bearing back off to adjust your shims, and it can be difficult to pull the pinion bearing back off without destroying it. To make it easier you can buy an extra inner pinion bearing and grind the center out of it so it will slide on and off of the pinion shaft easily, that way you can pull the bearing easily to adjust your shims, then when you get your pinion depth correct you install the shims and regular pinion bearing and put it all back together. You may have to take it all apart and put it back together 3-4 times to get your pinion depth correct.
 
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Old May 11, 2018 | 09:56 PM
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WDD & WFD = Sterling 10.25."

 
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Old May 12, 2018 | 03:54 AM
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Thanks guys! Pulled the chunk and pinion and drove out all the races in the diff tonight. I’ll clean the inner housing tomorrow as well as press on the carrier bearings to the truetrac tomorrow. I’ll go ahead and use a bearing separator to pull the old pinion bearing and grind out the I.d. to use as a setup bearing. I’ll also measure the thickness of the old bearing and race to compare to the new one so I can account for the difference if there is any.

Ill go ahead and install the new pinion races and start measuring and setting up the pinion and carrier. Interesting note, there were no small shims, I’m assuming the single shim I pulled from either side were precisely measured from the factory to keep from putting multiple shims packs in. If that’s the case, that’s a very good idea Ford!
 
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