Up-pipe troubles
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Up-pipe troubles
While I had my transmission out to put in my new Valair HD organic clutch I noticed soot at the top of both up-pipes. Decided it would be a good time to replace the donuts but after two days of soaking with PB Blaster, two busted sockets and a broken extension I'm at a dead end at getting the dang bolts and nuts off. The top ones that I can't see are the ones giving me fits. I'm wondering if I might just cut the pipe and wrestle them out and bite the bullet for bellowed pipes. What has worked for you guys?
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Really, the only thing that works for us is to cut/torch everything into pieces to get it off, then go back with new up-pipes and collector. Great time to swap in a deleted pedestal, will make the install and next removal a ton easier, too.
I am not a big fan of anything with the name Dorman on it, but their up-pipe kit is really hard to beat, money wise.
Otherwise my first choice is all Ford. The pipes and donuts are $175-ish, I think, and the collector was about $200, I think. All oem stuff. If it lasted this long, it'll last another 20 years.
If the ends of the manifolds with the bolt ears are in bad shape, add new manifolds to the list. That particular project can get very complicated very quickly, depending on how rusty and poor condition the parts are.
I am not a big fan of anything with the name Dorman on it, but their up-pipe kit is really hard to beat, money wise.
Otherwise my first choice is all Ford. The pipes and donuts are $175-ish, I think, and the collector was about $200, I think. All oem stuff. If it lasted this long, it'll last another 20 years.
If the ends of the manifolds with the bolt ears are in bad shape, add new manifolds to the list. That particular project can get very complicated very quickly, depending on how rusty and poor condition the parts are.
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Really, the only thing that works for us is to cut/torch everything into pieces to get it off, then go back with new up-pipes and collector. Great time to swap in a deleted pedestal, will make the install and next removal a ton easier, too.
I am not a big fan of anything with the name Dorman on it, but their up-pipe kit is really hard to beat, money wise.
Otherwise my first choice is all Ford. The pipes and donuts are $175-ish, I think, and the collector was about $200, I think. All oem stuff. If it lasted this long, it'll last another 20 years.
If the ends of the manifolds with the bolt ears are in bad shape, add new manifolds to the list. That particular project can get very complicated very quickly, depending on how rusty and poor condition the parts are.
I am not a big fan of anything with the name Dorman on it, but their up-pipe kit is really hard to beat, money wise.
Otherwise my first choice is all Ford. The pipes and donuts are $175-ish, I think, and the collector was about $200, I think. All oem stuff. If it lasted this long, it'll last another 20 years.
If the ends of the manifolds with the bolt ears are in bad shape, add new manifolds to the list. That particular project can get very complicated very quickly, depending on how rusty and poor condition the parts are.
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I hate talking bad about a part Riffraff sells, but I feel I have to chime in here. The fel-pro 8194 donut that they sell is simply garbage, in my opinion. It's not soft enough to crush nicely and give a good seal. When I replaced my donuts, I tried those the first time and still had leaks because they didn't crush. Had to rip it all apart again. The second time around, I used victor reinz F17250, which is a graphite material that crushes quite nicely to form a good seal. I STRONGLY recommend using the F17250 versus the felpro 8194. Night and day difference.
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I hate talking bad about a part Riffraff sells, but I feel I have to chime in here. The fel-pro 8194 donut that they sell is simply garbage, in my opinion. It's not soft enough to crush nicely and give a good seal. When I replaced my donuts, I tried those the first time and still had leaks because they didn't crush. Had to rip it all apart again. The second time around, I used victor reinz F17250, which is a graphite material that crushes quite nicely to form a good seal. I STRONGLY recommend using the F17250 versus the felpro 8194. Night and day difference.
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The manifolds look to be in good shape except for the bolts being froze. Can I get all new hardware if I cut everything off to get them out? Does the pedestal have to be replaced? I'm planning on a turbo upgrade and EBPV delete someday but not for awhile. Sounds like a turbo removal isn't something I want to do but once. I've ordered new donuts from riffraff but all I seen on their site were bellowed up-pipes. Where is a good place to look for Ford OEM pipes? By the way Jim, I sent you my injectors last month to build into stage 1s. Best money I've spent in awhile!!! You do good work, the truck runs awesome!
Why don't you guys just buy the donuts from Ford? They are $25 or so, is it really worth trying to save $10???????
We are increasingly getting very tired of the crap available from parts stores.
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The pedestal does not have to be replaced, but I just did mine and I swore my head off the whole time trying to get the bolts tightened. If it was a deleted pedestal, install is way easier, well worth the $200 or whatever if you can swing it. I didn't have time to wait for one so I re-used mine.
Why don't you guys just buy the donuts from Ford? They are $25 or so, is it really worth trying to save $10???????
We are increasingly getting very tired of the crap available from parts stores.
Why don't you guys just buy the donuts from Ford? They are $25 or so, is it really worth trying to save $10???????
We are increasingly getting very tired of the crap available from parts stores.
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And to your point, Jim, I must agree with Duck. I looked at a set from Ford, but when I had my used up-pipes and collector with me at the parts counter, there was simply too much of a gap for the Ford gasket to fill. The F17250 was just the ticket for used, serviceable pipes.
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New Ford pipes and donuts is the way to go and costs half of what quality bellowed kits sell for, and should last another 200k miles.
No point re-using 200k mile (or whatever) pipes, they are worn and should be replaced or they won't seal.
Been there and done that.
I guess it's one thing to do work on someone else's truck where is has to be done right the first time. But when you work on your own truck you might be satisfied with doing the job again later when it fails....?
Just saying.
I guess my perspective is vastly skewed.
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I may regret it but I went ahead with the Dorman pipes. Money is tight and I wanted to be able to do the EBPV pedestal delete while the trans was out. So all together this time around I'm doing new up-pipes, new clutch, pedestal EBPV delete, and 3" downpipe. Judging from the mods in my signature, what do you think should be next in my pursuit of 350-400hp?
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Exactly my point. The discussion was using all new parts.
New Ford pipes and donuts is the way to go and costs half of what quality bellowed kits sell for, and should last another 200k miles.
No point re-using 200k mile (or whatever) pipes, they are worn and should be replaced or they won't seal.
Been there and done that.
I guess it's one thing to do work on someone else's truck where is has to be done right the first time. But when you work on your own truck you might be satisfied with doing the job again later when it fails....?
Just saying.
I guess my perspective is vastly skewed.
New Ford pipes and donuts is the way to go and costs half of what quality bellowed kits sell for, and should last another 200k miles.
No point re-using 200k mile (or whatever) pipes, they are worn and should be replaced or they won't seal.
Been there and done that.
I guess it's one thing to do work on someone else's truck where is has to be done right the first time. But when you work on your own truck you might be satisfied with doing the job again later when it fails....?
Just saying.
I guess my perspective is vastly skewed.
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I may regret it but I went ahead with the Dorman pipes. Money is tight and I wanted to be able to do the EBPV pedestal delete while the trans was out. So all together this time around I'm doing new up-pipes, new clutch, pedestal EBPV delete, and 3" downpipe. Judging from the mods in my signature, what do you think should be next in my pursuit of 350-400hp?
For 350 - 400 hp, you'll need larger injectors, larger turbo, larger HPOP, larger fuel system. Order is up to you, your budget, or what parts need replaced next.
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I'm thinking Adrenaline HPOP and e-fuel of some kind. What size injectors do I need and can you redo the stage 1s you did for me last time? What turbo do you recommend?
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Well, even with the transmission out these pipes were a pain. I got the Dorman because of price but I don't recommend them. The drivers side didn't fit right on the manifold so I spent hours with a torch and hammer tweeking it. I can't imagine trying to do this with trans in place. Went ahead with EBPV delete and 3" downpipe while I was in there. All together BIG difference in sound and performance.
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