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So I have a fairly large area we want to fill in and level off in our frontyard/backyard. There is an excavator doing some work a couple of miles away and has 20,000 cy of fill dirt for free. They can deliver but it would be a minimum of 85k# and our private drive has a 60' covered bridge that is rated right around there but I'd rather not have that much weight going over the bridge. So he said that there is guy with a smaller truck that could deliver but at a rate of 80.00/hr. Im not sure how many truckloads we are going to need but everytime I look I guestimate more and more 30+ truckloads.
Then I read about the agricultural exemption for CDL and thought about buying a dump truck to use for this spring and then sell it. Then I saw the prices of a 27k gooseneck dump trailer and said that would probably be the way to go. I figure I can pull the trailer with my F350 and then sell the trailer when Im done. Would this sound like the way to go? There is a huge hill to climb between the covered bridge and cabin at the top of the hill. Probably on the order of 15% grade, but I figure it should climb it easy and then I can let it idle while dumping to prevent any turbo coking.
Can you rent a dump trailer anywhere? It will probably be smaller than the gooseneck you were looking at but you won't be stuck with something that may not sell. Around here every contractor and his dog has a dump trailer but they are mostly the 10k or smaller versions. If you do buy one maybe ask the dealer what sells first just so you don't end up with the one trailer that has been sitting on his lot for years because nobody wants it.
Dump Trailers in Washington state sell pretty fast if priced right. Different Sizes 10,000 or 14,000. It will take you a few days to move that amount of dirt. You could find a independent trucker that will work for you for the 2 or three days. Lot of wear and tear on the truck and time. Dirt on the roads that will upset your neighbors. Stiff Broom and a square Shovel will help keep them happy. 30 trailer loads will equal about 10 to 12 Dump trucks. Got the room to turn around on your property use a dump truck and trailer. Again Washington State we pay about $120 an hour for the truck and trailer combo instead of the $80 an Hour for the Dump Truck
If you buy one, like mentioned above, pick one that is highly desired so it will sell when you are done. And go BIG. I have a 10k bumper pull and when you dump and spread it, it seems like you didn’t do anything. I did that with an enclosed trailer to move one time because I couldn’t do it all at once. I bought brand new and sold after I was done. Of course I lost a little because I bought new but it was still less than what renting would have cost. If you buy used you could probably do better.
So I have a fairly large area we want to fill in and level off in our frontyard/backyard. There is an excavator doing some work a couple of miles away and has 20,000 cy of fill dirt for free. They can deliver but it would be a minimum of 85k# and our private drive has a 60' covered bridge that is rated right around there but I'd rather not have that much weight going over the bridge. So he said that there is guy with a smaller truck that could deliver but at a rate of 80.00/hr. Im not sure how many truckloads we are going to need but everytime I look I guestimate more and more 30+ truckloads.
Then I read about the agricultural exemption for CDL and thought about buying a dump truck to use for this spring and then sell it. Then I saw the prices of a 27k gooseneck dump trailer and said that would probably be the way to go. I figure I can pull the trailer with my F350 and then sell the trailer when Im done. Would this sound like the way to go? There is a huge hill to climb between the covered bridge and cabin at the top of the hill. Probably on the order of 15% grade, but I figure it should climb it easy and then I can let it idle while dumping to prevent any turbo coking.
Tell them to **** off and pay for dumping it. It's a fortune to dump fill in this state. He should be paying you to take it. If they have to haul it out, they are going to pay a crap load. Tell them to pay half. Also, how many loads an hour? you say you need 30 loads but the guy charges by the hour. How many loads can he do an hour? Now you can figure out how many hours you need and what it will cost you.
I have hauled a lot of dirt with my dump trailer. The 14K trailers net you about 10K of dirt per load. If you load much more on the trailer it likely won't have the hydraulic capacity to lift it. As stated above it looks like an ant hill after you dump it, so it takes a lot of loads. Most bigger dump trucks will haul 40K or about 4 times what you will get in a dump trailer. You will most likely be over your CGVWR too if that bothers you. If you are hauling on gravel roads it will put a lot of wear on your tires. If you need 30 truck loads you will likely need about 120 dump trailer loads. This will definitely take some time to haul, but only you can decide if you want to spend your time on the project. Good luck with the project.
Can you rent a dump trailer anywhere? It will probably be smaller than the gooseneck you were looking at but you won't be stuck with something that may not sell. Around here every contractor and his dog has a dump trailer but they are mostly the 10k or smaller versions. If you do buy one maybe ask the dealer what sells first just so you don't end up with the one trailer that has been sitting on his lot for years because nobody wants it.
Thats a good point about buying a trailer that is more popular for a quick flip. Id hate to be stuck with something longer than expected. unfortunately the bigger ones are probably harder to move and thats the one that seems to fit the bill for me.
Originally Posted by goatram
Dump Trailers in Washington state sell pretty fast if priced right. Different Sizes 10,000 or 14,000. It will take you a few days to move that amount of dirt. You could find a independent trucker that will work for you for the 2 or three days. Lot of wear and tear on the truck and time. Dirt on the roads that will upset your neighbors. Stiff Broom and a square Shovel will help keep them happy. 30 trailer loads will equal about 10 to 12 Dump trucks. Got the room to turn around on your property use a dump truck and trailer. Again Washington State we pay about $120 an hour for the truck and trailer combo instead of the $80 an Hour for the Dump Truck
I was hoping that the trailer would keep the dirt confined because it is a long driveway. How much of a mess should I expect? I guess after dumping there will be a lot of lose dirt that didnt fall off and will make its way on to the driveway but thats going to be true whether I do it or pay a private party to haul it. Lots of pressure washing for my boy or maybe not with all the rain weve been getting htis year. I have a couple of places to turn around. Need to do a dry run . to make sure all is good.
Originally Posted by CMTrucks
If you buy one, like mentioned above, pick one that is highly desired so it will sell when you are done. And go BIG. I have a 10k bumper pull and when you dump and spread it, it seems like you didn’t do anything. I did that with an enclosed trailer to move one time because I couldn’t do it all at once. I bought brand new and sold after I was done. Of course I lost a little because I bought new but it was still less than what renting would have cost. If you buy used you could probably do better.
I agree with going big, also want dual wheels on each axle so I dont sink into the mud when dumping. I really want to avoid renting because I have to work around their schedule and arrange everything. If I won thetrailer, I can work around my schedule and not feel pressured to get it done quick.
What Is the contractor delivering on that weighs 85k? Max on a quad axle axle dump truck or dump trailer and tractor is suppsed to be 80k. Never the less I would just hire it out. Someone with a decent size dump truck will move more in two days than you would in a week with a dump trailer. I would not try buying a dump truck for just this job either. You would get your money back after you are done IF nothing tears up. Blow a tire, $300 bucks a piece, pto pump goes out, several hundred, engine goes out, several thousand.
So I’ve got a 14k dump trailer already and I still pay dump trucks to haul material if it’s anything more than like 3 loads. But I’d rather be in the skid or dozer getting the work done than shuttling 4-5 yards of material back and forth. The dump trailer is great for hauling demo material to the dump and smaller jobs but hell on a bigger job. If you are too close to the material you will drain your batteries faster than you can charge them.
Tell them to **** off and pay for dumping it. It's a fortune to dump fill in this state. He should be paying you to take it. If they have to haul it out, they are going to pay a crap load. Tell them to pay half. Also, how many loads an hour? you say you need 30 loads but the guy charges by the hour. How many loads can he do an hour? Now you can figure out how many hours you need and what it will cost you.
This might not be a bad idea. I dont know if I have leverage here. If they dont have enough people to take the 20,000 cy then I will tell them I can take it all but only if they do it for half of what they want to charge. I have nothing to lose with this approach.
I have hauled a lot of dirt with my dump trailer. The 14K trailers net you about 10K of dirt per load. If you load much more on the trailer it likely won't have the hydraulic capacity to lift it. As stated above it looks like an ant hill after you dump it, so it takes a lot of loads. Most bigger dump trucks will haul 40K or about 4 times what you will get in a dump trailer. You will most likely be over your CGVWR too if that bothers you. If you are hauling on gravel roads it will put a lot of wear on your tires. If you need 30 truck loads you will likely need about 120 dump trailer loads. This will definitely take some time to haul, but only you can decide if you want to spend your time on the project. Good luck with the project.
GCVWR is not my strong suit but isnt the f350 rated for like 32k with the gooseneck? Shouldnt a 27k trailer be ok here? No gravel roads thank God.
What Is the contractor delivering on that weighs 85k? Max on a quad axle axle dump truck or dump trailer and tractor is suppsed to be 80k. Never the less I would just hire it out. Someone with a decent size dump truck will move more in two days than you would in a week with a dump trailer. I would not try buying a dump truck for just this job either. You would get your money back after you are done IF nothing tears up. Blow a tire, $300 bucks a piece, pto pump goes out, several hundred, engine goes out, several thousand.
Well, the other issue with a 80k+ load is whether they can turn around in our yard. Maybe I should invite them up see what they think. Ill attach a pic of google earth to see what you guys think. If my motor went out then that **** better be covered by Ford or the CEO will be getting a nice letter from my attorney.
Originally Posted by Bessy_76
So I’ve got a 14k dump trailer already and I still pay dump trucks to haul material if it’s anything more than like 3 loads. But I’d rather be in the skid or dozer getting the work done than shuttling 4-5 yards of material back and forth. The dump trailer is great for hauling demo material to the dump and smaller jobs but hell on a bigger job. If you are too close to the material you will drain your batteries faster than you can charge them.
Starting to lean towards letting them hauil this. We'll see.
There seems to be a lot of debate in other threads on just what these trucks are rated at. If your close to your house it likely won't be issue unless an accident occurs. If you get a big 27K trailer you could get 2700 to 3600 pound pin weights. Im sure the truck will handle it, just maybe not legally. If you really need 30 dump truck loads it would likely be easier to hire it done. It would definitely be faster. If the dirt is wet it will weigh a lot more and may be sticky enough not to slide out of the trailer. It's not fun shoveling out sticky clay. It depends a lot on the soil type. Lots of variables.
Ok, here is a pic of where the fill dirt will be dumped. Yes, I went a little crazy with the paint brush. Probably wont need but half of that area filled. Will there be room to turn around a truck with 80k+?
Ok, here is a pic of where the fill dirt will be dumped. Yes, I went a little crazy with the paint brush. Probably wont need but half of that area filled. Will there be room to turn around a truck with 80k+?
A straight truck with a decent driver should not have a problem pulling into the space between your garage and flower bed and then backing into the fill space. Mama might lose a bush or two at the worst. Nice place BTW. I like the pond right beside the garden. You do not have to go far to cool off.
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