Notices
1999 - 2016 Super Duty 1999 to 2016 Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Real Truck

4WD question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 16, 2018 | 12:25 PM
  #1  
Goat Rancher's Avatar
Goat Rancher
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
10 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 77
Likes: 3
4WD question

A few weeks ago my '05 F350 diesel overheated because the bottom hose on the radiator came off for some reason while on the ranch. When I found out about this I got distracted after unlocking the driver's side hub but forgot to unlock the passenger side hub which stayed locked until I drove it home from the repair shop. The overheating took out the EGR cooler and the oil cooler needed replacing by then anyway. I'd driven about 30 miles, most of it at highway speeds with this hub locked and I was wondering if I'd screwed something up in the front axle. We were working on a windmill in the pasture this past week and the back tires began to spin in the cactus but the front tires didn't seem to do anything even though the hubs were both in the locked position. My truck is a King Ranch which has no internal shift stick to engage the front drive wheels so I assume it's always engaged and the hubs are what lock and unlock. The vacuum engagement on the dash has not worked in a long time due to the vacuum lines being worn through in a few places so I've just been locking the hubs manually. Could I have really messed something up in the front axle? There's been no unusual noises up front, no smell of anything burning.
 
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2018 | 12:45 PM
  #2  
seville009's Avatar
seville009
Logistics Pro
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,795
Likes: 47
Leaving just one hub locked shouldn’t have caused an issue.

Not sure what you mean about not having an internal 4wd shifter - you must have the dial to shift into 4hi, 4lo, and 2wd - right? If so, is the 4wd light on when you shift into 4hi? You can test it on pavement by putting it into 4wd and then turn - you should feel it binding up if 4wd in engaged.

 
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2018 | 01:18 PM
  #3  
Goat Rancher's Avatar
Goat Rancher
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
10 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 77
Likes: 3
Internal shifter

Oh sure, the dial is on the dash and the light comes on when I turn it to any of the 4WD settings but I found that, when I do and the A/C is on, the air shifts to the defrost vents without me touching the A/C controls which I found out was an indication that the vacuum lines going to the hubs were compromised in some way. When I changed out the starter last year I found that the point where the lines T-off to go to either hub had become oil soaked and the rubber that the tee is made of became too soft to keep the vacuum. Haven't had time to replace the lines as yet so I've just been locking the hubs manually when I go into and out of the ranch.

What I meant was that other trucks I've seen pictures of have a floor shift lever for engaging the 4WD which is not what's in my truck.
 
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2018 | 01:42 PM
  #4  
Super Duty DJ's Avatar
Super Duty DJ
More Turbo
15 Year Member
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 559
Likes: 85
The dial on the dash does two things when you turn it to 4Hi or 4Lo. The first, as you noted is to lock the hubs using the vacuum, which is obviously not working on your truck. The second thing that it does is send a signal to your transfer case shift motor to change the position of the transfer case gears (much like the floor mounted lever does in a manual system) to engage the front drive shaft from the transfer case. As such, you still need to turn the dial on the dash to 4Hi or 4Lo to get 4 wheel drive, even with your hubs manually locked. If you turned the dial, and the light came on the dash, but still didn't have 4wd, then you need to verify that the transfer case shift motor is working properly.
 
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2018 | 02:32 PM
  #5  
seville009's Avatar
seville009
Logistics Pro
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,795
Likes: 47
Originally Posted by Goat Rancher
Oh sure, the dial is on the dash and the light comes on when I turn it to any of the 4WD settings but I found that, when I do and the A/C is on, the air shifts to the defrost vents without me touching the A/C controls which I found out was an indication that the vacuum lines going to the hubs were compromised in some way. When I changed out the starter last year I found that the point where the lines T-off to go to either hub had become oil soaked and the rubber that the tee is made of became too soft to keep the vacuum. Haven't had time to replace the lines as yet so I've just been locking the hubs manually when I go into and out of the ranch.

What I meant was that other trucks I've seen pictures of have a floor shift lever for engaging the 4WD which is not what's in my truck.


my auto hubs died awhile ago. Rather thsn screw around fixing it, I just manually lock mine. Basically leave them locked for the entire winter.
 
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2018 | 03:51 PM
  #6  
Lawnpro979's Avatar
Lawnpro979
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 337
Likes: 0
From: Bellville TX.
I think it’s limited slip
 
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2018 | 01:34 AM
  #7  
djm1204's Avatar
djm1204
Elder User
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 521
Likes: 1
From: Dunnellon, Fl
Originally Posted by Super Duty DJ
The dial on the dash does two things when you turn it to 4Hi or 4Lo. The first, as you noted is to lock the hubs using the vacuum, which is obviously not working on your truck. The second thing that it does is send a signal to your transfer case shift motor to change the position of the transfer case gears (much like the floor mounted lever does in a manual system) to engage the front drive shaft from the transfer case. As such, you still need to turn the dial on the dash to 4Hi or 4Lo to get 4 wheel drive, even with your hubs manually locked. If you turned the dial, and the light came on the dash, but still didn't have 4wd, then you need to verify that the transfer case shift motor is working properly.
DJ hit the nail on the head - the dash mounted switch is designed to perform multiple functions. It is supposed to lock the front hubs, however you can by pass that function by manually locking the hubs. The second function, which it sounds like is your problem, is that it also activates the transfer case shift motor. You can manually lock the front hubs, but you need the transfer case shift motor to engage and move the transfer case from 2wd to 4 hi or 4lo. The transfer case shift motor is controlled by the dash switch.

Finally, no you should not have done any damage by driving with just one hub engaged.

Please keep us posted
 
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2018 | 07:44 AM
  #8  
Goat Rancher's Avatar
Goat Rancher
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
10 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 77
Likes: 3
Oh great... So this means I've NOT been running around in 4WD even though the hubs are locked? The truck's user manual is really clear as mud about this. I had to read the section on manually locking the hubs several times and finally just flipped the hubs and went on. Well, at least the front axle was probably just free wheeling when I had it locked at 75. Also I'm either going to have to plug off the vacuum lines or spend some more money on getting the line replaced in order to keep the A/C from flipping up to defrost when I engage the 4WD on the dash. The last time I looked on the official Ford parts site the lines were sold as a unit and not in pieces such as the tee. This is very much a weak point on the truck. I'll flip the dash switch AND lock the hubs the next time I'm on the ranch and see what happens. Not running the A/C much right now.

Thanks for the education!
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-3

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-4

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-6

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

Ford Super Duty: 5 Things Owners LOVE, 5 Things They LOATHE!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Every 2026 Ford Truck Engine RANKED from WORST to FIRST!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

The Best F-150 Deal of Every Trim Level (XL through Raptor)

 Joe Kucinski
Old Mar 17, 2018 | 11:01 AM
  #9  
Misky6.0's Avatar
Misky6.0
Lead Driver
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 5,420
Likes: 16
From: Ouray, CO
Correct, locking the front hubs JUST locks the front hubs. So, when you drive the front axle halfs AND driveshaft are spinning because the front tires are turning them.
You MUST engage the transfer case to provide POWER to the front driveshaft/axle/wheels.
You MUST turn your dash ESOF dial to 4hi or 4lo.
There are easy write-ups how to find/plug your vacuum leak..

You can easily plug the vacuum line at the hub(s) - IF that is where the leak is..
Then you continue to manually lock/unlock the hubs, AND use the ESOF to engage/disengage 4wd.
I have manual 4x4 - the short shifter on the floor, because I wanted to avoid ESOF issues.
I leave my hubs locked all winter, no issues at highway speeds - OTHER than reduced MPG from added drag..
 
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2018 | 02:20 PM
  #10  
Goat Rancher's Avatar
Goat Rancher
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
10 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 77
Likes: 3
We bought the truck used and, this being a totally new type of vehicle for us, we were pretty much ignorant of many of its characteristics. The main thing I was worried about was the 6.0L engine I'd heard mixed reviews about.

I know where one leak is and if I can seal that tee with some kind of silicone or other sealer that sets up in the presence of oil it may take care of that problem. Bouncing across the pasture, though, has kept me hopping with all the problems it has produced. I think what I really need is an Abrams tank but it doesn't have much carrying capacity and would upset a lot of people at the feed store.
 
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2018 | 10:22 PM
  #11  
SnowPlowDriver's Avatar
SnowPlowDriver
More Turbo
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 616
Likes: 13
From: Ofallon Mo
The Abrams would be overkill. Tryfinding a M114 or a M113. If you need cargo capacity find a M35.
 
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2018 | 09:06 AM
  #12  
Goat Rancher's Avatar
Goat Rancher
Thread Starter
|
Cross-Country
10 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 77
Likes: 3
I'll have to write that down. It'll be my first shopping trip after I win the lottery. LOL. There used to be nothing but other ranches surrounding us out here in the sticks but now we've got real estate developments springing up on our North end. It'd be so much fun to have a tank patrolling that area instead of a bunch of wimpy "No Trespassing" signs. I could hang the sign off the end of the barrel!

Well, now we've really gone off the path here!
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
X5188
Excursion - King of SUVs
22
Mar 30, 2015 09:35 PM
JWink
1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
5
Oct 22, 2012 06:53 PM
F250SuperDoody
1999 - 2016 Super Duty
21
Oct 28, 2008 02:48 PM
KC10Chief
1999 - 2016 Super Duty
3
Apr 3, 2005 07:53 PM
bigtoyfreak
1999 - 2016 Super Duty
14
Feb 3, 2004 10:20 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:23 AM.

story-0
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-1
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-2
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-3
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-6
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE
story-7
Ford Super Duty: 5 Things Owners LOVE, 5 Things They LOATHE!

Slideshow: Ranking the 5 things owners love about their Super Duty and 5 things they don't

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:36:49


VIEW MORE
story-8
Every 2026 Ford Truck Engine RANKED from WORST to FIRST!

Slideshow: Ranking all 12 Ford truck engines available in 2026.

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 13:32:20


VIEW MORE
story-9
The Best F-150 Deal of Every Trim Level (XL through Raptor)

Slideshow: The best Ford F-150 deal for every trim level (XL through Raptor)

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-21 15:59:01


VIEW MORE