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Old 03-12-2018, 08:57 AM
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im new to the forum here but Iíve been doing lots of reading on here and Iíve found some pretty neat information on my truck. I canít for the life of decode my VIN number even with the info on here cause it doesnít seem to match. So hereís what I got. I have a 1969 Ford F700 2x4. I just recently bought the truck from a buddy of mine he had it for only a year and he bought if from the original owner. My buddy told me the truck was a 72 model and that it had a 390 FE in it. I get to looking and on the title it says itís a 69 model. Oh thatís another thing I got the truck with the original title as well! What are the odds huh? down here in Georgia vehicles that are older than 1994 I believe donít have to be registered with a title only a bill of sale. My bud never bothered to turn in the title he just registered the truck with the bill of sale and I did the same. So to my knowledge the truck is a 1969 Ford F700 and has a 390 engine with a 4 speed gear box and a 2 speed Eaton rear axle. The shift **** says it has 5 speeds but Iím guessing it got put on there cause the original was lost. I want to know what kind of drivetrain this truck has and Iím sure the vin number tells you that. If someone here can help me decode it I will greatly appreciate it. I posted some pics of the truck. Surprisingly the truck runs very good. The tank had so much rust in it I had to remove it empty all the gas out and get it coated on the inside. I went thru all the fuel lines and blew them all out with my air compressor. It was running very rough prior to this. I drove it around for about 50 miles and then it just quit on me and it wouldnít crank up. The carb wasnít getting any fuel. I check the fuel filter and it was so clogged up with rust and dirty fuel. Changed that and still didnít crank. Then I took off the carb checked the float and cleaned it thoroughly and still nothing. Mind you i changed the fuel pump prior to this test drive. I said what the hell and changed the fuel pump and it cranked right up. I guess it got clogged up as well with all that rust. I adjusted the points and it was running fairly well, but since I was going to be using the truck for my wood chipper I just decided to go to an electronic petronix igniter. And I changed the coil to something equivalent. Did the tune up plugs and wires. Man this truck runs like new Iím telling you! The engine purs like it must of had in 1969. That petronix did wonders for the truck. It has a 2 barrel carb too. The truck has a PTO dump bed and itís perfect for my tree service company. I was looking for something that could haul good weight cause Iím gonna be loading it with pretty big logs as well. I think I got a steal for the truck cause I only paid $2800 for it.
 
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:30 AM
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Nice rig! That interior is really nice. Is that a tach or a vacuum gauge all the way to the right?
 
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It should serve you well.
The only thing I would look into doing is replace that single brake master with a duel and run new lines for the duel system.
Right now if you have 1 brake line ANY WHERE go bad you DO NOT HAVE ANY BRAKES!!!!

My dad had an old Chevy C20 with a single brake system and I hated driving it on the road even with all new brake lines just knowing with 1 failing point you had no brakes at all.
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Old 03-12-2018, 07:46 PM
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It should serve you well.
The only thing I would look into doing is replace that single brake master with a duel and run new lines for the duel system.
Right now if you have 1 brake line ANY WHERE go bad you DO NOT HAVE ANY BRAKES!!!!

My dad had an old Chevy C20 with a single brake system and I hated driving it on the road even with all new brake lines just knowing with 1 failing point you had no brakes at all.
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Let's review how this system works. There is a single circuit reservoir on the firewall, but it feeds into a massive double diaphragm remotely mounted booster and cylinder assembly on the left frame rail. From there it is a dual circuit system. Works damn good.
There is undue fear of a single circuit brake hydraulic system. I think the problem was when people ignored warning signs of pending hydraulic failure: leaks, having to replace fluid often, not having the system routinely checked etc. Vehicles would be much simpler if the manufacturers didn't have to "idiot proof" them. I'm not calling anyone an idiot. Vehicles are 1000 times better and safer today than they were in the 60's due to these system upgrades.
 
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Your engine appears to be an FT engine, and as such, not a 390. The warranty plate you posted a picture of says 164 HP, iirc, that's the magic number for a 330FT.

Your GVWR is 22000 according to that plate, so watch those log loads.

Brakes: Drums are not available. All else is. Check for leaks. If the brakes are fairly quiet, stopped straight, and NO leaks, you may be good.

Get rid of that rubber fuel line. Try a steel line, OEM if possible (lots a luck there, but it can be run down) or at least a braided steel job.

What is the shift pattern of the trans? Is first a real creeper gear?

The two speed rear axle--have you had one of those before? I can dig up the Eaton videos if you want.
 
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Old 03-12-2018, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 85e150six4mtod View Post
Your engine appears to be an FT engine, and as such, not a 390. The warranty plate you posted a picture of says 164 HP, iirc, that's the magic number for a 330FT.

Your GVWR is 22000 according to that plate, so watch those log loads.

Brakes: Drums are not available. All else is. Check for leaks. If the brakes are fairly quiet, stopped straight, and NO leaks, you may be good.

Get rid of that rubber fuel line. Try a steel line, OEM if possible (lots a luck there, but it can be run down) or at least a braided steel job.

What is the shift pattern of the trans? Is first a real creeper gear?

The two speed rear axle--have you had one of those before? I can dig up the Eaton videos if you want.
as far as the brakes the truck stops very well and they make no noise. It also has new steel brake lines all around from front to back. Hmmm. For a 330 this engine has a lot of power Iím telling you. Iím guessing maybe a 390 was installed later on in its life. I donít feel like it has 164 hp more like a good 200-250. The torque on the engine is also amazing. Which is another characteristic of a 390. Is their any way I can check what type of engine it is on the block? The truck has a granny low first gear is what I call it lol itís all the way to the left and up. And also reverse is all the way to the left and down right below that granny first. Then first gear is on top next to granny first. Straight down is second and then third and fourth are pretty much self explanatory. Is their any way to know what kind of trans I have by the vin? This my first time driving an Eaton 2 speed rear axle. My grandpa has been teaching me and Iím kind of getting the hang of it. Shifting to high axle is easy itís just coming down to low axle is where Iím having a little trouble. But I wouldnít mind seeing those videos if you donít mind?
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Old 03-12-2018, 08:48 PM
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Nice rig! That interior is really nice. Is that a tach or a vacuum gauge all the way to the right?
Thank you very much sir! I love this truck! Iíve always been a Ford man and itís just what I need for work. Thatís a tach gauge all the way to the right and it works well. Funny thing is that my fuel gauge, speedometer, temp gauge and alt gauge doesnít work. Bummer. Only gauges that work are the tach and the oil pressure gauge. Also the radio still works and my heat and defrost work as well!! Omg I was dancing when I realized that the heat worked! Especially with this cold weather weíre having.
 
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So you have a 5 speed. The trans and axle codes on your tag will tell what you have. Stand by for a decode, Numberdummy often checks posts like this. That shift pattern is different from any 5 speed I can find here, most matching one of these:
The Transmission Page

Don't worry that it's a C60 page, the transmissions were the same in that class of truck.

The two speed, post 5 here has the video links:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ml#post9565523

Gearing can make a small engine seem to have a lot of torque. But, it is possible it was swapped out. From what I can see, it has the FT exhaust manifolds, which will not work with FE heads. It is possible to put the FT heads on an FE short block. There is some fiddling to be done with the distributor in that case. From the outside, it is not possible to tell what you have. A wire down a plug hole can measure for a 3.5" stroke (330 & 360) and a 3.78" stroke for a 390/391)

Recent brake work is always a welcome sign. Usually......
 
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My guess is a 330 medium duty with a Clark 5 speed.
 
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Pic of Warranty Plate doesn't appear when post is quoted, so I had to type the info.
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F70DUF15761 / WB: 144 / COLOR: 7 / MODEL: F700 / BODY: 4C81 / TRANS: A / AXLE: E3C / MAX GVW LBS: 22000 / CERT NET HP: 164 / RPM: 3800 / DSO: 44
This thread belongs in the LARGE TRUCK forum. Most members of this forum have pickups, don't know much or anything about 500 and larger series trucks (example: see post # 9).

F70 = F700 (gas).

D = 330 2V H/D FT engine.

U = Louisville KY Assembly Plant.

F15761 = 1969.

144" Wheelbase.

7 = Dark Blue.

F700 (gas); 22,000 lbs. GVWR

4C81: 4C = Black all Vinyl / 81 = 81A Standard Cab.

A = New Process 435 4 Speed Manual Transmission.

E3C:

E3 = Eaton model 16244 Two Speed Rear Axle / 6.50/9.04 / 17,500 lbs. Rear Axle Capacity.

C = Ford Rockwell-Timken 6,000 lbs. Capacity Front Axle.

22,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

164 net HP @ 3,800 RPM

44 = Twin Cities MN Ford District Sales Office, where the original selling dealer ordered the truck from.

FE engines were only installed in F100/350's, use a completely different mounting system than the FT's that were installed in 1964/78 500 and larger series trucks.
 
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy View Post
Pic of Warranty Plate doesn't appear when post is quoted, so I had to type the info.

This thread belongs in the LARGE TRUCK forum. Most members of this forum have pickups, don't know much or anything about 500 and larger series trucks (example: see post # 9).

F70 = F700 (gas).

D = 330 2V H/D FT engine.

U = Louisville KY Assembly Plant.

F15761 = 1969.

144" Wheelbase.

7 = Dark Blue.

F700 (gas); 22,000 lbs. GVWR

4C81: 4C = Black all Vinyl / 81 = 81A Standard Cab.

A = New Process 435 4 Speed Manual Transmission.

E3C:

E3 = Eaton model 16244 Two Speed Rear Axle / 6.50/9.04 / 17,500 lbs. Rear Axle Capacity.

C = Ford Rockwell-Timken 6,000 lbs. Capacity Front Axle.

22,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

164 net HP @ 3,800 RPM

44 = Twin Cities MNFord District Sales Office, where the original selling dealer ordered the truck from.
thanks a lot Numberdummy! After reading numerous posts on here I knew you could help me out. I will put any future posts in the larger trucks forum thanks for the reference. It might just be a 330 then after all. Unless they swapped out a 390 later on. I read somewhere the H/D 330s had a cartridge oil filter instead of a screw on. Which mine has a cartridge filter. Iím assuming the 390 and the 330 can use the same fuel pump? When I ordered my fuel pump I said the engine was a 390 and it fit quite well. My transmission has a low gear. Would that be considered first gear? When I always drive it I never use that gear. I always start it off where I assumed was first gear which is next to that one and then shift all the way to fourth.
 
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:41 PM
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thanks a lot Numberdummy! After reading numerous posts on here I knew you could help me out. I will put any future posts in the larger trucks forum thanks for the reference. It might just be a 330 then after all. Unless they swapped out a 390 later on. I read somewhere the H/D 330s had a cartridge oil filter instead of a screw on. Which mine has a cartridge filter. Iím assuming the 390 and the 330 can use the same fuel pump? When I ordered my fuel pump I said the engine was a 390 and it fit quite well. My transmission has a low gear. Would that be considered first gear? When I always drive it I never use that gear. I always start it off where I assumed was first gear which is next to that one and then shift all the way to fourth.
I just asked a moderator to move your thread to the LARGE TRUCK forum.
 
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:46 PM
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Maybe some one can help me correctly identify this engine. I couldnít find the engine block casting code anywhere. I heard itís usually on the passenger side but I couldnít see it. Maybe itís just covered in sludge.
 
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I don't see any related FE parts. The Rams Horn exhaust manifolds are FT as is the fan, cast water pump pulley and dual belt alternator setup.

330 2V M/D & H/D, 361 2V FT's used a Holley 2V, FE's used an Auto-Lite 2V // Casting number on intake manifold is FT related. Air cleaner is FT

The tune up parts (points/condenser/rotor/cap) are the same for ALL 1957/75 FoMoCo V8 engines except HiPo's with dual point dizzies.

FT's used colder spark plugs (BTF-31) than FE's (BF-42).

'Course, some people swap engines, but usually fail to list ANY info of what size it is and/or what the he!! it came from.

Writing a few things on the underside of the hood or on the firewall, inside of the glove box door w/a grease pencil would help, but most people are clueless. (sigh)

Measure the stroke!

btw: The Spin-On oil filter was an option for these trucks. The same oil filter adapter was used in EVERYTHING with I-6's, Y blocks, FE's and FT's: B7A-6882-A
 
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