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Old Feb 28, 2018 | 07:43 PM
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C600 brake job.

So, this is my first post on this particular site. I've been a member over at serious explorations for quite some time now and have seen this site before, but never joined until now.

​​​​​My reason is to kind of give back for the information I was able to gather for my most recent project, a 1968 C600 that I'm getting back on the road.

In my quest for brake parts, I've been all over the internet and talked to several people in my local specialty parts houses. Not much is listed for my particular version of this model. So I wanted to post the information I have dug up and how I'm going about my repair.

My truck was built with manual adjusted front brakes. They are the 14x2.5 inch units with an FMSI # of 2060-72. The following part numbers are what I was able to find:

Centric #111.03610, bonded shoes. These shoes are identical in everyway except for one hole. This hole is in each shoe and is for the spring above the adjuster. I will be drilling this hole in my new ones to match the old shoes.
Centric #150.79313, front hoses. These are slightly different than the original assemblies, but should work fine. The length and ends are the same. I will make new mount brackets to hold them.
Bendix #H3514, adjuster. Same part side to side.
Bendix #H9219, spring kit. This kit appears to be for the auto adjust version of the brake and comes with a lot more than what you need. Just pick out what you need and toss the rest in your" spares" box
Wagner #WC34076, LH wheel cylinder. This is a single servo type cylinder, meaning it only acts on one shoe. The auto adjust brake has the more typical double servo cylinder.
Wagner #WC34077, RH wheel cylinder.
​​​​​​I do not have drum info yet, but will continue to look. Mine are in good shape thankfully.

This is what I have found thus far. I will still need to assemble the brakes and make sure it all fits, but so far everything matches side by side. Hopefully this weekend I will be able to identify the rear brakes and get the same information posted to this thread. All the above parts were purchased from RockAuto for about $150.

I hope this helps some of the other early C-series guys out there. Most of the info I have found on these trucks only goes back to 1980. It was a chore to find what I've found so far.

Cheers!

For those curious, I have attached a pic of my newest pile of rust..
 
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Old Mar 4, 2018 | 09:20 AM
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Made some progress yesterday. I got the front brakes rebuilt and found that the spring kit I ordered had enough to do both sides except for the two main return springs at the top of the shoes. I reused the ones I had for now, as I will be going back into them later and will order another kit. For now I'm just wanting to make to truck moveable.

If time permits, I'm going to have the rear brakes torn apart to identify the assembly. I will continue to post my progress here for those who want to follow along.

Cheers!
 
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Old Mar 4, 2018 | 09:29 AM
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I"d like to see pictures of what you're working on. I've spent many years working on these old Fords starting on 68 B-700's. Those old part #'s bring back lot's of memories. I know them well so maybe I can help.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2018 | 09:53 AM
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This thread belongs in the LARGE TRUCK forum, where members that own 1957/86 C/CT550/1100 Tilt Cabs can take advantage of this important info.

I'm going to ask a mod to move it there.

Posting this thread in the 1967/72 forum, where most members have F100/250 pickups, was a mistake IMO
 
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Old Mar 4, 2018 | 11:46 AM
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Thread moved. WELCOME to FTE!
 
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Old Mar 4, 2018 | 06:45 PM
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Cool truck. Look forward to seeing your progress.
 
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Old Mar 7, 2018 | 10:50 AM
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Thanks everyone, I made significant progress Sunday. I repaired the power steering - had a line burst. It was a little thin from 50 years of road grime eroding on it. I was able to drive the truck up and down our gravel road to get the front brakes adjusted in. I also had a hell of a time shifting the truck into 3rd and reverse. Turns out the pillow block bushings that hold the shift rod in place, were completely gone.

I had trouble popping the rear axle shaft flanges loose to get to the brakes. The tapered wedges would not break loose. I wound up welding the nuts to the stud and backing them out together to break the grip of the wedges. I'll just replace the studs with bolts instead. I'm not sure why they studded those. I work on equipment and have seen this set-up before, but they are wedges with bolts instead of studs.

I found and ordered every part of the rear brakes except for the shoe retainer pins. They do not come in any kit I could find. My brakes are manual adjusted, dual cylinder 15x4.5 inch. With an FMSI# of 4564-83. I'll add the part numbers in another post when I have everything in front of me.

Living in the Cincinnati area, I was able to visit Green sales. They are an obsolete Ford parts dealer and had 6 of the 8 pins I needed. With the Ford part numbers in hand, I was able to find the rest of the pins on eBay. They didn't have my shifter bushings, but armed with the part #, I found both on eBay as well!! My hat is off to the very knowledgeable guys at Green Sales! They have a wealth of information and NOS parts going back to 1950 for anything Ford/Mercury.

Attached are some pics of my rust..


The old and new retainer pins.

Cheers!
 
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Old Mar 7, 2018 | 11:08 AM
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Some pics of the front brakes for those who have not been into these before..

​​​​​​Notice the single servo wheel cylinder. That is the only part that is side specific for the front brake assemblies. Even the adjusters are the same, as they are manual adjust.


Inside the drum, I'll be in there again to replace the seals and pack the bearings. I got to order some more springs.

Cheers!
 
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Old Mar 7, 2018 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 92exp4x4

I found and ordered every part of the rear brakes except for the shoe retainer pins. They do not come in any kit I could find. My brakes are manual adjusted, dual cylinder 15x4.5 inch. With an FMSI# of 4564-83. I'll add the part numbers in another post when I have everything in front of me.

Living in the Cincinnati area, I was able to visit Green Sales. They are an obsolete Ford parts dealer and had 6 of the 8 pins I needed. With the Ford part numbers in hand, I was able to find the rest of the pins on eBay. They didn't have my shifter bushings, but armed with the part #, I found both on eBay as well!! My hat is off to the very knowledgeable guys at Green Sales! They have a wealth of information and NOS parts going back to 1950 for anything Ford/Mercury.
I'm very familiar with Green Sales as are other members of this forum. I dealt with them during the 35 years I was a parts guy and have listed them probably 20,000 times here on FTE

I look up obsolete parts for members, then list the part numbers and the sources.

Since Green Sales has the largest stock of FoMoCo obsolete parts on the planet, I've listed them far more times than the other 400+ sources.

Click on the pic twice to enlarge it, then use the cursor to move it around.

 
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Old Mar 7, 2018 | 05:39 PM
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So, this is a test. I've posted twice to this thread today, once with my phone and once on my laptop and neither has recorded.
 
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Old Mar 7, 2018 | 06:08 PM
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Well, my test worked...

Thanks for the info. I found that same diagram in a google search at one point. I saved it to my phone. Its great that people like you are willing to share their time and experience on this forum. Its the only way these old beasts will continue to roam with such little aftermarket support. I'm sure that as this project evolves, I will have more questions and I will definitely post them here. More than likely this thread will become a build thread instead of a brake job. I have known of Green for several years. We have bought many parts from them for our various antique Fords. A family friend also sources them for his auto restoration business. He restores all makes of antique cars, including several Concours contenders and winners over the years.

I'm trying to post more pics, but I'm having all kinds of issues.. The attachment software keeps crashing, I'll keep trying until something works.

Cheers!
 
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Old Mar 7, 2018 | 06:25 PM
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It appears that I can post pics from my phone, but not from the laptop...

Here are the front brakes for those who haven't been into them. Notice the single servo wheel cylinders. They are the only part of this brake that is side specific. Also the bottom spring attaches to the shoe spine at a hole that was not in the new shoes. I had to drill this hole. It would take one hell of a man to stretch that spring to the outside holes in the pic. As it was, it took both my friend and I to get it installed!! That spring has some serious tension, for a brake spring. The kit I got only had two of the upper return springs. I'm gonna have to order another kit. Rock auto had them for less than $5.

I will continue to post my progress as I can. I received the first bit of the parts I ordered. I'm hoping to have everything for this weekend, we'll see what happens.

Cheers!
 
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Old Mar 8, 2018 | 08:20 AM
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I seem to remember having to drill the same hole for the rear shoes on my '74 Highboy.

Also, I think all your posts showed up - I see duplicate pics of the front setup.
 
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Old Mar 8, 2018 | 09:54 AM
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Yeah, I just noticed that too when I signed in to see updates. Oh well, server fart I suppose.
 
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So, this pretty much sums it up.

I came home to a bunch of packages on the porch and had to tear into them. The contents of said packages are as follows:

Centrix # 134.79027, 28, 29, 30, wheel cylinders. Four part numbers for four, same-but-different wheel cylinders. I nearly screwed up and almost ended up with 2 LH cylinder sets. Come to find out the cylinders are different side to side as well as top and bottom. The casting number on both LH is 26461. I will post the RH casting number when I get the right brake apart this weekend.

Bendix H3535, adjuster kit. I wasn't sure about the kit and ordered 4 total, but it appears to do both adjusters on one side. As long as the threads are the same I'm gold. The kits were cheap so, I'll toss the extras aside for something else. (I may have fallen into an F500 for free. Maybe they will fit it?)

Bendix/Carlson H7189, hardware kit. All the springs and misc hardware except for the retainer pins. Appears to come with two types of hold down nuts for several versions of this brake.

Ford C6TZ-23333-A, retainer pin. These were not part of any kit that I could find. I found 6 of the 8 at Green Sales and the remaining on eBay.

Timkin 5487, oil seal. When you pull the axle shaft on this truck, you're faced with this interesting critter. It comes with gaskets and the wear sleeve for the spindle end.

WJB WS370047A, wheel/hub seal. I'm totally guessing on this one. I'm not certain if this will fit or not but it came up under the search for the previous seal as the inner hub seal. It wasn't too expensive so I'll try it and see if it fits. It was listed for the 15,000LB axle. Perhaps Numberdummy may chime in with a Ford number to cross to. (Eaton 2-speed)

Ford, B9TT-7A459-A, bushing. These are the shift rod bushings that I never thought I would find. With the part # I was able to get both of them on eBay as well. I was planning on making something for this before I found the correct part,

Cheers!
 
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