1st time for this
#1
1st time for this
"store bought" long block (5.8) with almost 8,000 miles started out as a miss so I started out with a basic tune up also ran compression while changing plugs all cylinders had 150-154#. Went for a test drive and things got worse even started a light popping out of intake. When I took out 1st set of plugs all looked the same no concerns. I now take out plugs and #4 is black. re-compression, all same. Checked for spark at plug and that was good. Fired up in the shop with air intake tubes off and intake back fire really got worse so off with valve cover and intake............
First time I've had a lifter wear down 3/16" no wear marks on sides so doesn't appear to have been sticking. Valve is free and cam lobe looks good. Just makes me nervous to put in new lifter and put all back together.
First time I've had a lifter wear down 3/16" no wear marks on sides so doesn't appear to have been sticking. Valve is free and cam lobe looks good. Just makes me nervous to put in new lifter and put all back together.
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#4
After looking, measuring, and checking I've decided to go with junk lifters with bad heat treating, No visual damage to cam lobes and measurements appear to be good. Working in the truck is alittle tough and this is #4 exhaust. Going to try a better check tomorrow with a dial indicator. About half of the rest show signs of bad wear.
#6
Have you ever looked to see how many lifters there are for Ford engines ? There are basically two diameters. And a short lifter would not work to start with, the pushrod would have to be longer to have it work, especially to last 8000 miles.
#7
So, what are you saying? That this lifter magically shrunk in size...or was wrong to begin with and someone used longer pushrods to compensate?
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#8
I'm aware that there are a few different lifters for various engines, from mechanical to hydraulic. Should be able to ask a dealer what size, etc, lifters would be needed for this vehicle. I don't see the problem here.
So, what are you saying? That this lifter magically shrunk in size...or was wrong to begin with and someone used longer pushrods to compensate?
So, what are you saying? That this lifter magically shrunk in size...or was wrong to begin with and someone used longer pushrods to compensate?
#9
After looking, measuring, and checking I've decided to go with junk lifters with bad heat treating, No visual damage to cam lobes and measurements appear to be good. Working in the truck is alittle tough and this is #4 exhaust. Going to try a better check tomorrow with a dial indicator. About half of the rest show signs of bad wear.
#10
Ok, baddad457... Got you covered on your explanation, and agree completely. Argentina, MeHeeco are some places I know of where lifters are made. Agree on lackadaisical QCC.
On one lifter goin' south on breakin-how do you explain that? Lousy lifter to begin with? I check 'em all for holding oil pressure, but I'm not aware of a test to determine metal fatigue......
I had one lifter that gave up the ghost on a 350 Chubby that came in the shop....the others weren't that far behind. Here, on the nose spring pressure was out of spec when I checked it, hence the problem....
On one lifter goin' south on breakin-how do you explain that? Lousy lifter to begin with? I check 'em all for holding oil pressure, but I'm not aware of a test to determine metal fatigue......
I had one lifter that gave up the ghost on a 350 Chubby that came in the shop....the others weren't that far behind. Here, on the nose spring pressure was out of spec when I checked it, hence the problem....
#11
Ok, baddad457... Got you covered on your explanation, and agree completely. Argentina, MeHeeco are some places I know of where lifters are made. Agree on lackadaisical QCC.
On one lifter goin' south on breakin-how do you explain that? Lousy lifter to begin with? I check 'em all for holding oil pressure, but I'm not aware of a test to determine metal fatigue......
I had one lifter that gave up the ghost on a 350 Chubby that came in the shop....the others weren't that far behind. Here, on the nose spring pressure was out of spec when I checked it, hence the problem....
On one lifter goin' south on breakin-how do you explain that? Lousy lifter to begin with? I check 'em all for holding oil pressure, but I'm not aware of a test to determine metal fatigue......
I had one lifter that gave up the ghost on a 350 Chubby that came in the shop....the others weren't that far behind. Here, on the nose spring pressure was out of spec when I checked it, hence the problem....
#12
Again, got you covered on the mechanics and function of the lifters. The clearance between the lifters and their bore is arguably the tightest of the whole engine's clearances. Even a spec of booger between the lifter and bore could wreak havoc.....
Not to highjack this thread but I have a question for you regarding the failure(s) of those two single lifters.....Do you recall where their placement was? I mean were they just after the second cam journal -from the front looking toward the back of the engine?
This is just a baffling fact that has me at a loss as to an explanation why. Three cam/lifters (over the years) that I have seen that got pooched -two during break-in and one about 500 miles after break-in - all had one failed lifter in that position....just after the second from the front cam journal.
I have a thought as to why, but failed lifters are not the norm when I build an engine...as, I'm sure, is the same with you.....so far, so good....
Not to highjack this thread but I have a question for you regarding the failure(s) of those two single lifters.....Do you recall where their placement was? I mean were they just after the second cam journal -from the front looking toward the back of the engine?
This is just a baffling fact that has me at a loss as to an explanation why. Three cam/lifters (over the years) that I have seen that got pooched -two during break-in and one about 500 miles after break-in - all had one failed lifter in that position....just after the second from the front cam journal.
I have a thought as to why, but failed lifters are not the norm when I build an engine...as, I'm sure, is the same with you.....so far, so good....
#13
OK I guess we are all smart enough to know that when 2 metal parts run together if one wears there is a good chance both will. Number 4 exhaust lobe is .062 short!
First lesson learnt don't try to cut corners and by a parts store rebuild. I knew better just don't have access to the engine shop I used years ago. Not much for trashing people but this motor was bought from Advance Auto it is a Spartan rebuild.
Now to decide how to go on repair. This is in a decent F250 4X4 with a C6 I use it almost daily it just doesn't go far. This engine has 8,000 miles in 5 years does lots of chores around the property. But I do need it to make a trip occasionally. I also have a bad habit of not leaving everything stock. So I know you guys have more experience with this generation of gas burner than me so give me a couple opinions.
First lesson learnt don't try to cut corners and by a parts store rebuild. I knew better just don't have access to the engine shop I used years ago. Not much for trashing people but this motor was bought from Advance Auto it is a Spartan rebuild.
Now to decide how to go on repair. This is in a decent F250 4X4 with a C6 I use it almost daily it just doesn't go far. This engine has 8,000 miles in 5 years does lots of chores around the property. But I do need it to make a trip occasionally. I also have a bad habit of not leaving everything stock. So I know you guys have more experience with this generation of gas burner than me so give me a couple opinions.
#14
Again, got you covered on the mechanics and function of the lifters. The clearance between the lifters and their bore is arguably the tightest of the whole engine's clearances. Even a spec of booger between the lifter and bore could wreak havoc.....
Not to highjack this thread but I have a question for you regarding the failure(s) of those two single lifters.....Do you recall where their placement was? I mean were they just after the second cam journal -from the front looking toward the back of the engine?
This is just a baffling fact that has me at a loss as to an explanation why. Three cam/lifters (over the years) that I have seen that got pooched -two during break-in and one about 500 miles after break-in - all had one failed lifter in that position....just after the second from the front cam journal.
I have a thought as to why, but failed lifters are not the norm when I build an engine...as, I'm sure, is the same with you.....so far, so good....
Not to highjack this thread but I have a question for you regarding the failure(s) of those two single lifters.....Do you recall where their placement was? I mean were they just after the second cam journal -from the front looking toward the back of the engine?
This is just a baffling fact that has me at a loss as to an explanation why. Three cam/lifters (over the years) that I have seen that got pooched -two during break-in and one about 500 miles after break-in - all had one failed lifter in that position....just after the second from the front cam journal.
I have a thought as to why, but failed lifters are not the norm when I build an engine...as, I'm sure, is the same with you.....so far, so good....
#15
OK I guess we are all smart enough to know that when 2 metal parts run together if one wears there is a good chance both will. Number 4 exhaust lobe is .062 short!
First lesson learnt don't try to cut corners and by a parts store rebuild. I knew better just don't have access to the engine shop I used years ago. Not much for trashing people but this motor was bought from Advance Auto it is a Spartan rebuild.
Now to decide how to go on repair. This is in a decent F250 4X4 with a C6 I use it almost daily it just doesn't go far. This engine has 8,000 miles in 5 years does lots of chores around the property. But I do need it to make a trip occasionally. I also have a bad habit of not leaving everything stock. So I know you guys have more experience with this generation of gas burner than me so give me a couple opinions.
First lesson learnt don't try to cut corners and by a parts store rebuild. I knew better just don't have access to the engine shop I used years ago. Not much for trashing people but this motor was bought from Advance Auto it is a Spartan rebuild.
Now to decide how to go on repair. This is in a decent F250 4X4 with a C6 I use it almost daily it just doesn't go far. This engine has 8,000 miles in 5 years does lots of chores around the property. But I do need it to make a trip occasionally. I also have a bad habit of not leaving everything stock. So I know you guys have more experience with this generation of gas burner than me so give me a couple opinions.