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Old Dec 5, 2017 | 06:03 PM
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On the "ticking" ----have you pulled a valve cover yet? I'm asking because the "ticking" sounds like you might have roller rockers........they're know to make noise, sounding a bit like a sewing machine.

Let us know what kind of rockers you have.

I won't comment on the fuel/unburnt hydrocarbons/exhaust smell as other have pretty well covered it. 1Ton makes some good points, as usual....

You could check yer fuel pressure - Edelbunks don't cotton to more than 5 - 6 psi and it could be yer burnin' extra fuel if the pressure is too high.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2017 | 08:41 PM
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Wow. You guys are just amazing!

All this advice being given and none of you know a single detail about this engine. What you don't know includes, among other facts:

What cubic inch displacement for sure
What year the engine was produced
What, if any, modifications have been made to it
If rebuilt, how it was done
Anything at all about the exhaust system
Service, maintenance, and repair history of the engine and truck

And yet you're all troubleshooting, and totally in the dark. There is no mechanic worth his salt anywhere in the world who would start blurting out advice like you guys are doing without first needing to know at least the information listed above. All you have to go on is two videos including general engine noise, and poor audio quality at that. And his wife's comment that the truck smells. And yet, you advise.

Valve lash: the clearance in the valve train, necessary for solid lifters whether they be flat or roller. Why are you advising him to check valve lash when you have no idea if the valve train has solid lifters? The only way hydraulic lifter valve trains have gap in them is if the hydraulic lifters are partially collapsed due to low oil pressure or mechanical failure, and adjusting it out is not the fix. Where in his description of the engine does he tell us it has solid lifters such that you can start telling him about valve lash? If he doesn't have solid lifters, stop misleading him by talking about valve lash. You're only making things confusing.

A guy buys an old truck. It smells, meaning combustion or heating vapors are getting into the cab. His wife is noticing. And you start telling him to stuff rags up the exhaust pipe? My god, he needs to get that truck to a competent repair shop NOW, have it towed in, before carbon monoxide kills somebody.

Sorry for the rant if it makes you feel bad. But seriously, this forum sometimes reminds me of a bunch of half-wit teenagers standing around drinking beer in the shade on Saturday afternoon telling bullshiite fix-it stories to one another: "yeah, this one time the truck really smelled bad, man, and I stuffed some rags up the exhaust pipe and adjusted the lash on the hydraulic lifters, then went out and blew the doors off a Camaro that had everybody else in town running scared." Jeez.

To the original poster: ignore everything you've had suggested to you here. Get your truck into a good repair shop and let somebody qualified get it right for you. This bunch of yokels here is just going to cost you time and money and possibly just make things worse.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2017 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 1TonBasecamp
Another aspect of headers is that the thin metal tubes transmit much more sound than a thick cast-iron manifold does. And the thinner (cheaper) materials are louder than the thicker ones. That's why a selling point in advertising more expensive headers is the thickness of the tubing.
But even a thick tube header is louder than a stock exhaust manifold in most cases.

x10 on checking for leaks though. They are notorious for this.

Headers also lean out the mixture and are often followed up by installing larger main jets in the carb. They may have gone overboard on the jet sizes, or just the opposite.
If you let an engine run too lean, you can get what's called lean-misfire in which the combustion process is not efficient or complete not because there is too much fuel mixed with the oxygen, but because there is too little.
So either too rich OR too lean can make your exhaust smell pretty bad.

In the mid to late-seventies they were just learning about how to reduce emmissions and one popluar way was to run the mixtures very lean. Which is one of the reasons that more and more powerful ignition systems were brought into play.
But since yours is obviously pretty well "de-smogged" and also running headers and an aftermarket carburetor, the tune is up in the air until you start messing with it. No way to tell just by an outward look what jetting or meter sizes the carburetor was outfitted with (most just use them as-is out of the box) or whether it was compatible with the better breathing exhaust, or whether the ignition system is doing it's job.

Hell, it might just need a tune up!

And speaking of de-smogging and stuff, can you see a PCV valve sticking out of the passenger side valve cover? This would be a plastic/metal metering valve with a 3/8 hose running to the base of the carburetor. I see what looks to be the venting cap on the driver's side cover, but can't make out what's there on the back of the passenger side.
If it's just another cap or breather, then you really should install a PCV valve and plumb it correctly (we can walk you through that if it's needed) to keep the engine healthy and running well for the long term.
Like the evaporative emmissions system, it's one of those very beneficial devices to come out of the smog wars. One of the best actually.

Bottom line is that you can actually install a catalytic converter on an old truck (I did) but you need to make sure the engine is tuned very well and stays that way. A poorly tuned truck could wreak havoc on an expensive cat pretty quickly.

Good luck.

Paul
There is a hose coming from the rear passengers side of the valve cover with a single hose running to the Carb. I need to try a few methods to determine where my exhaust leak is coming from, seems like that is going to solve my problem.

james
 
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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by farmallmta
All this advice being given and none of you know a single detail about this engine. What you don't know includes, among other facts:

What cubic inch displacement for sure
What year the engine was produced
What, if any, modifications have been made to it
If rebuilt, how it was done
Anything at all about the exhaust system
Service, maintenance, and repair history of the engine and truck

And yet you're all troubleshooting, and totally in the dark. There is no mechanic worth his salt anywhere in the world who would start blurting out advice like you guys are doing without first needing to know at least the information listed above. All you have to go on is two videos including general engine noise, and poor audio quality at that. And his wife's comment that the truck smells. And yet, you advise.

Valve lash: the clearance in the valve train, necessary for solid lifters whether they be flat or roller. Why are you advising him to check valve lash when you have no idea if the valve train has solid lifters? The only way hydraulic lifter valve trains have gap in them is if the hydraulic lifters are partially collapsed due to low oil pressure or mechanical failure, and adjusting it out is not the fix. Where in his description of the engine does he tell us it has solid lifters such that you can start telling him about valve lash? If he doesn't have solid lifters, stop misleading him by talking about valve lash. You're only making things confusing.

A guy buys an old truck. It smells, meaning combustion or heating vapors are getting into the cab. His wife is noticing. And you start telling him to stuff rags up the exhaust pipe? My god, he needs to get that truck to a competent repair shop NOW, have it towed in, before carbon monoxide kills somebody.

Sorry for the rant if it makes you feel bad. But seriously, this forum sometimes reminds me of a bunch of half-wit teenagers standing around drinking beer in the shade on Saturday afternoon telling bullshiite fix-it stories to one another: "yeah, this one time the truck really smelled bad, man, and I stuffed some rags up the exhaust pipe and adjusted the lash on the hydraulic lifters, then went out and blew the doors off a Camaro that had everybody else in town running scared." Jeez.

To the original poster: ignore everything you've had suggested to you here. Get your truck into a good repair shop and let somebody qualified get it right for you. This bunch of yokels here is just going to cost you time and money and possibly just make things worse.
Posts #1 and #2 ---read and listen....what engine do you see?
Your informative post #6 was intended for......"a bunch of yokels....?" I suppose you put yerself in that same category? If not, you should.

People on here don't always have the dollars to ....."Get your truck into a good repair shop and let somebody qualified get it right for you."
Mebbe you're a fortunate one that has those dollars and can afford to let someone else fix their truck.
Many of us can't, or, better yet, WON'T go to a shop as they/we want to fix it/learn ourselves.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by farmallmta
All this advice being given and none of you know a single detail about this engine. What you don't know includes, among other facts:

What cubic inch displacement for sure
What year the engine was produced
What, if any, modifications have been made to it
If rebuilt, how it was done
Anything at all about the exhaust system
Service, maintenance, and repair history of the engine and truck

And yet you're all troubleshooting, and totally in the dark. There is no mechanic worth his salt anywhere in the world who would start blurting out advice like you guys are doing without first needing to know at least the information listed above. All you have to go on is two videos including general engine noise, and poor audio quality at that. And his wife's comment that the truck smells. And yet, you advise.

Valve lash: the clearance in the valve train, necessary for solid lifters whether they be flat or roller. Why are you advising him to check valve lash when you have no idea if the valve train has solid lifters? The only way hydraulic lifter valve trains have gap in them is if the hydraulic lifters are partially collapsed due to low oil pressure or mechanical failure, and adjusting it out is not the fix. Where in his description of the engine does he tell us it has solid lifters such that you can start telling him about valve lash? If he doesn't have solid lifters, stop misleading him by talking about valve lash. You're only making things confusing.

A guy buys an old truck. It smells, meaning combustion or heating vapors are getting into the cab. His wife is noticing. And you start telling him to stuff rags up the exhaust pipe? My god, he needs to get that truck to a competent repair shop NOW, have it towed in, before carbon monoxide kills somebody.

Sorry for the rant if it makes you feel bad. But seriously, this forum sometimes reminds me of a bunch of half-wit teenagers standing around drinking beer in the shade on Saturday afternoon telling bullshiite fix-it stories to one another: "yeah, this one time the truck really smelled bad, man, and I stuffed some rags up the exhaust pipe and adjusted the lash on the hydraulic lifters, then went out and blew the doors off a Camaro that had everybody else in town running scared." Jeez.

To the original poster: ignore everything you've had suggested to you here. Get your truck into a good repair shop and let somebody qualified get it right for you. This bunch of yokels here is just going to cost you time and money and possibly just make things worse.
I'd love to see this guy troubleshoot a flat tire on the side of the road.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 11:50 AM
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farmallmta- I'm willing to bet that the users here know exactly what free advice is worth - it's a free forum, not a diagnostic shop. Most folks will assume given the year of the truck and engine, that unless otherwise stated, it is probably original to the truck. And given the symptoms (ticking, exhaust smell) most of the advice given - including yours - has some pretty decent starting points for initial actions. You might want to check some of that holiness at the door, my friend.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 01:23 PM
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As far as the ticking goes...really easy to check for an exhaust leak. If you are accelerating and the ticking gets faster/louder etc...then once you reach a cruising speed gently let off the gas pedal. If the ticking seems like it virtually goes away it's an exhaust leak. By having no load on the motor per say you will level out the exhaust back pressure.

Usually it's a manifold gasket at the head or a collector gasket. If it's at the head/manifold usually running your hand close to the exhaust ports at the head (don't have to touch anything) you will feel the pulse. Then you know where your leak is.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Filthy Beast
On the "ticking" ----have you pulled a valve cover yet? I'm asking because the "ticking" sounds like you might have roller rockers........they're know to make noise, sounding a bit like a sewing machine.

Let us know what kind of rockers you have.

I won't comment on the fuel/unburnt hydrocarbons/exhaust smell as other have pretty well covered it. 1Ton makes some good points, as usual....

You could check yer fuel pressure - Edelbunks don't cotton to more than 5 - 6 psi and it could be yer burnin' extra fuel if the pressure is too high.
Well, the ticking slows at idle and increases at acceleration which "Sounds" like the exhaust leak that is being mentioned, in the process of determining what the procedure for tightening the bolts on my headers is.(.the right order) and going to try that as soon as the weather gets better.
Farmallmta - The smell is not in the cab, I don't recall mentioning that it was in the cab, my wife notices it when she comes outside while I am working on my truck. And I do wish I could take my truck to a professional and just have it fixed, but I can't spend that money right now and the whole joy (for me) so far has been to work on my truck myself and get the satisfaction that I was the one to repair it.

The advice I have found on this website has been extremely helpful, I read a few threads on shocks and saved myself a ton of money replacing them in my driveway instead of paying the $475 or so I was quoted by a local shop. Heck ,I can't take my 2014 Lincoln to a Brake Check without them finding a ton of repairs that they "recommend" I can't imagine what they would say if I took my truck to them!!
 
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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JBMorrey
I can't take my 2014 Lincoln to a Brake Check without them finding a ton of repairs that they "recommend" I can't imagine what they would say if I took my truck to them!!
Double for me my good man! The wife drives a 2016 Hyundai SUV (good family wagon actually) and I have the truck and an old Valiant. I work on them because it keeps me entertained and keeps costs down... which lets me hop them up instead of just maintain them, hehe.

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