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Old Sep 11, 2003 | 05:04 PM
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Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer registration tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What in the world happened?
 
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Old Sep 11, 2003 | 05:10 PM
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I don't have all the answers, but I think you know where 87 billion is going.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2003 | 05:12 PM
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That's because a 100 years ago, our gov't paid the actual price for its material needs. They would pay the same as everyone else for a hammer, $5-6 in todays prices. Instead, someone in the gov't decided to start saying that a hammer costs $1000, or $2700 for a toilet seat.
Also back then, Congress didnt give themselves raises every other month until they made as much as the Pres., and each Congressman didnt have a 1000 people working for them.

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Old Sep 11, 2003 | 05:23 PM
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The size of our government has grown exponentially in 100 years. Federally, state, city, county, and local. With all the departments and programs in place today, it would probably suprise you how many people work for some form of the government. They're like a giant corporation, just not as efficient!
 
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Old Sep 11, 2003 | 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by jskufan
They're like a giant corporation, just not as efficient!
like maybe a dealership that overcharges for everything?
 
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Old Sep 11, 2003 | 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by fisher_of_man
like maybe a dealership that overcharges for everything?
The dealership will only stay in business if people voluntarilly walk in and spend their money. The government has a captive audience. They also have an infinite amount of money: OURS. When that runs out, there's always the national debt...
 
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Old Sep 11, 2003 | 07:25 PM
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well I think alot of that changed with wars ,buying new toys becoming a world power , spy games, paying for people to sit at home and pop out babies, 87 billion dollar oil question, war is costly, there was no social secruity back then ether not that I'll ever see it when I retire
 
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Old Sep 11, 2003 | 08:15 PM
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See, when you put it like that, it really does explain exactly WHERE my paychecks go. I knew I couldn't spend it that quick..
 
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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 01:54 AM
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A thread about taxes - good timing. Just today I received notice from the IRS that I owe them $54 in P&E. Before I retired I was in a complex businesss, I wrote detailed contracts and proposals and at one time I installed large process control computer systems that ran entire manufacturing plants yet I have to pay an accountant over $200 to figure the array of forms and schedules the government requires every year. Our tax codes are an affront to the citizens. Even the "experts" will not match on identical data and the IRS admits many errors to questions phoned to their agents (they do not accept responsibility for these errors). I understand that the tax codes take up over 60,000 pages.
Its 2:00 in the morning - I'm going to bed.
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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by dono
A thread about taxes - good timing. Just today I received notice from the IRS that I owe them $54 in P&E. Before I retired I was in a complex businesss, I wrote detailed contracts and proposals and at one time I installed large process control computer systems that ran entire manufacturing plants yet I have to pay an accountant over $200 to figure the array of forms and schedules the government requires every year. Our tax codes are an affront to the citizens. Even the "experts" will not match on identical data and the IRS admits many errors to questions phoned to their agents (they do not accept responsibility for these errors). I understand that the tax codes take up over 60,000 pages.
Its 2:00 in the morning - I'm going to bed.
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i agree....pretty sad that the "common citizen" can't understand the tax code. maybe that's their goal for unsuspecting tax payers to just pay it because they don't understand it. If they don't understand it's complex language then they can't argue with it.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 10:13 AM
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The American middle class was very small 100 years ago. The advent of the automobile changed all that.

100 years ago there was virtually no road system in the country.

100 years ago the average person couldn't walk into an emergency room and get treatment without insurance.

100 years ago the US military was a tiny entity and we weren't a Super Power.

100 years ago many people didn't have electrity, running water and telephones.

100 years ago if you got hurt on the job you were out of luck.

100 years ago if you were laid off you were out of luck.

100 years ago the state governments weren't stocking lakes with fish.

100 years ago there was no Medicare for older citizens.

Granted, I believe the majority of government money is wasted but all the things you take for granted cost money.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2003 | 10:34 AM
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You forgot another tax - inflation.
Probably as big as the income tax. Basically an item, say 2 liter soda going from 99c to 1.05 means the dollar has lost value, not the product getting more expensive. And it amounts to yet another _hidden_ tax, hitting most of all those on fixed income, but really everybody.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2003 | 01:02 PM
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Exactly the point webmaster.

Oh for the good ol' days of a short back-breaking life.

BTW for all you overtaxed types, we are one of if not the lowest taxed population of a major industrial nation.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2003 | 01:10 PM
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I'm not even gonna get started about taxes......especially income "tax;" but I would encourage you all to check out a book by a guy named Irwin Schiff, who is one of america's leading income "tax" researchers. It's called The Federal Mafia. It's pretty enlightening, and I guarantee you will never looka at the world (or the US govt.) the same again.

Also....check out Larken Rose's http://www.taxableincome.net/ . Pretty interesting stuff.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2003 | 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by sinjin
Exactly the point webmaster.

Oh for the good ol' days of a short back-breaking life.

BTW for all you overtaxed types, we are one of if not the lowest taxed population of a major industrial nation.
The webmaster makes another good point.

Granted, I believe the majority of government money is wasted but all the things you take for granted cost money.
Just because other industrialized nations want to continue down the road to socialist utopia that has been shown time and again not to work doesn't mean we want to.

I don't object to paying taxes for some government programs but I feel they should learn to do more with less not less and less with more and more. What we need is a constitutional ammendment putting a cap on taxes. Say 30-40% flat tax. No more. Ever.

And that tax would be levied at the state level. The state's could give to the federal government and local governments.

Then abolish every other tax there is. How is it right to tax me more than someone else because I choose to engage in a perfectly legal activity. (drinking). Seems to me it should violate the equal protection clause.
 
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