Any new and reliable info on the 7.X?
#46
Here is where the downfall of forced induction comes in. Same as any small displacement turbo, when heavy boost is required...very heavy fuel consumption occurs.
Even my previous 6.2L Super Duty trucks would get slightly better fuel economy than the EcoBoost while towing. So while small engines and turbos may get a manufacturer past the EPA requirements, they don't really deliver the promise in real life, especially on trucks, especially on trucks being used as trucks.
Even my previous 6.2L Super Duty trucks would get slightly better fuel economy than the EcoBoost while towing. So while small engines and turbos may get a manufacturer past the EPA requirements, they don't really deliver the promise in real life, especially on trucks, especially on trucks being used as trucks.
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#48
I think it will be nice to have a bigger CI naturally aspirated choice in the super duty. Actually working the truck will result in tolerable mpg vs a turbo gas engine. I have had the chevy 8.1 and the 3valve 6.8 v-10. Both i was happy with the torque and mpg towing and unloaded. Usually towing was 8-10 mpg, unloaded 12-14. I bet they can squeeze the same mpg out of this mythical 7.x liter engine they get from the 6.2 now.
I would be happy with 3 engine choices in super duty.
5.0 turbo gas (mild boost, not much)
6.7 diesel
7.3 gas n/a
I would be happy with 3 engine choices in super duty.
5.0 turbo gas (mild boost, not much)
6.7 diesel
7.3 gas n/a
#49
I get to spend a little time with the 3.5 EB. Put the Ram in the shop for some service, so I have a 2017 Expedition EL for about a week, thanks to my friends at Enterprise - at the Ford Escape rate, no less (because that's the only SUV they had handy)! Haven't driven a gasoline turbo since my Dad's 1988 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe, so this will be interesting. Don't have reason to drive it like I stole it, but I'll see how it feels compared to an unboosted gasser or my usual diesel. I admit to being old school as far as truck engines... big I-6 or V8 gasser, or a turbo diesel. So I'll see if something half the size of this coming 7.x meets with my approval
#50
Parkinen, keep in mind that medium-duty truck engines are intentionally de-rated for durability and longevity. The Powerstroke is 440/925 in pickups only - the same engine in an F-650 is just 270/675. The 6.8L is just 320/460 in the F-650. This market is not looking for high horsepower - just enough to do the job - because they don't want employees hot-rodding with large loads. This new 7.xL will likely give a modest power bump over the 6.8, but nothing to write home about. Ford is likely making this new engine with future emissions and other regulations in mind, knowing the 6.8 can't be sufficiently modified/updated for that purpose.
While you are correct on the V10 output for the 650/750 trucks, oddly enough the same V10 in an F-550 is rated at 288HP and 424lb-ft...a further de-rating from the much larger 650/750 trucks.
Allegedly the V10 continued because the 6.2L was unable to meet medium-duty engine demands. Initially, the 6.2L V8 was supposed to completely replace the V10.
In reality, even a more powerful 6.2L would seem a bit small for the 650/750 class.
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