Timing/Spout Connector Issue 88 F250 460 EFI
#136
I received the fuel pressure gauge and it came one NPT cap/plug too short so I will have to go buy one today from the hardware store before I can check fuel pressure.
I replaced the PCV again and the EVAP. Both the motorcraft and duralast PCV are making a lot of noise (you can really hear the "shaking" component in the sensor). I don't know if this is an issue or if it's supposed to sound that way
I will try to replace the fuel filter today if the rain holds up, I started raining yesterday before I got a chance to change it. I did turn the throttle screw to see if it affected the rpm level and it did in fact drop the rpm. I am waiting to adjust the idle screw per the procedure you posted until I check my fuel pressure.
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#140
So just a heads up to anyone following this thread, the Jegs Fuel Pressure Kit that I attached a link to previously in this thread DOES work with the 460 fuel rail. I got it installed yesterday after going to the hardware store and grabbing one more 1/8" NPT plug/cap (I believe the kit was supposed to come with one more, I may have just received one with a cap missing).
My fuel pressure reading on a cold motor were around 30-32 psi at idle and when I revved the motor it instantly jumps to around 38-40 psi.
Once the motor warmed up, the numbers changed to about 28-29 psi at idle and still about 38 psi when snapping the throttle. Do these numbers sound about right?
I have just noticed that my ignition coil seems to buzz for a few seconds after shutting off the motor, didn't do that before. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, don't my symptoms sound like they could be stemming from a worn/weak ignition coil?
#141
Was that a repeatable & steady 750rpm, if so, an improvement no less from 850.
Are you using your Truck Tach, or another ?
It took me a few tries the first time I performed an Idle procedure to get the best result. Hardest part was holding the rpm for x-seconds.
Yeah, you want a fully warmed engine before adjusting.
Fuel pressure looks ok, and the FPR is working as the vacuum decreases with higher rpm. You may see the same 38psi when you disconnect the FPR vacuum line.
Are you using your Truck Tach, or another ?
It took me a few tries the first time I performed an Idle procedure to get the best result. Hardest part was holding the rpm for x-seconds.
Yeah, you want a fully warmed engine before adjusting.
Fuel pressure looks ok, and the FPR is working as the vacuum decreases with higher rpm. You may see the same 38psi when you disconnect the FPR vacuum line.
#142
You can check the spark jump and color of your spark. Auto parts sells a Spark-Gap checker.
"symptoms" - from time, as you progress, you need to revise your "symptoms", recheck your "Codes", etc... Seems you have achieved progress since post #1.
#143
I'm using the truck's tach for all of my numbers
#144
That's my thought as well. I plan on resetting the idle today and after that I am going to check codes to see if anything else throws.
My thoughts on the ignition coil were: after I got power to the O2 heater, I was reading around 0.85V on the signal wire. Now from what I've learned, that's a little rich correct?. Couldn't that be caused by a failing ignition coil? Not getting enough spark power to fully combust the fuel/air causing it to read rich at the sensor, which in turn would lean out the fuel/air and become easier to ignite, and then cause the computer to throw more fuel? Could that not be a possible cause of the fluctuating idle? I may be getting a little ahead of myself but that was my whole thought process behind the ignition coil
#145
Yeah, in theory, .85 is just into the rich zone.
What normally happens is a constant switching between Lean & Rich, you should see that on your O2 Signal wire, like the sign wave in a previous post.
If you have a constant .85, you have an issue.
Next time you are measuring, open up a vacuum line to see if it leans out briefly.
So, completely burning the fuel has been the goal of the EPA and subsequently under duress the auto industry, starting in California. This is why you see 2 spark plugs for each cylinder, more and more. Some California models had a "hotter" coil installed to burn more fuel.
If you had a weak spark (testable), you would have a loss of power, and lots of black smoke, as well. Also, potentially a 42 code.
What normally happens is a constant switching between Lean & Rich, you should see that on your O2 Signal wire, like the sign wave in a previous post.
If you have a constant .85, you have an issue.
Next time you are measuring, open up a vacuum line to see if it leans out briefly.
So, completely burning the fuel has been the goal of the EPA and subsequently under duress the auto industry, starting in California. This is why you see 2 spark plugs for each cylinder, more and more. Some California models had a "hotter" coil installed to burn more fuel.
If you had a weak spark (testable), you would have a loss of power, and lots of black smoke, as well. Also, potentially a 42 code.
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#147
Yeah, in theory, .85 is just into the rich zone.
What normally happens is a constant switching between Lean & Rich, you should see that on your O2 Signal wire, like the sign wave in a previous post.
If you have a constant .85, you have an issue.
Next time you are measuring, open up a vacuum line to see if it leans out briefly.
What normally happens is a constant switching between Lean & Rich, you should see that on your O2 Signal wire, like the sign wave in a previous post.
If you have a constant .85, you have an issue.
Next time you are measuring, open up a vacuum line to see if it leans out briefly.
I forgot to pull a vacuum line to see if the O2 signal leaned out any. I should be receiving my new ignition coil today and hopefully will get a chance to swap it out. What I did notice was some REALLY questionable wiring leading to the ignition coil plug. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the ignition coil? My plan is to wire in a new plug so I know I have good connections going to the ignition coil.
In regards to your comment about the black smoke stemming from a bad ignition coil, I have noticed that the tailpipe has become pretty black and have noticed more of a gassy smell than usual.
I will definitely be keeping the old ignition coil just in case, I had no idea MSD had kind of fallen off. Thanks for the heads up!
#148
Random connector: single wire into connector, single wire coming out connecting to the ignition coil bracket
Ignition coil plug: Only two wires running into the plug, bare wire showing, and two butt connectors on one wire
I have uploaded a picture of the connector that plugs into the ignition coil. When I went to purchase a new connector from RockAuto, I noticed that all of the plugs for the truck had 3 wires coming off of the plug....my truck connector only has 2 coming off....I did notice, however, there is a ground wire coming from the same wire bundle as the 2 wires going into the ignition coil plug. The single ground wire runs out of the bundle, to a random connector (I cant get it unplugged either), and then a single wire runs from the other end of the connector to the metal "bracket" that the ignition coil mounts to. Could this ground wire be the missing wire from my plug?? Or did whoever messed with this wiring forget to connect a wire??
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#150
I measured the voltages both at the sensor and at pin 29. Yes that is correct, the fluctuations were between less than 0.1 and 1.2 volts just at idle. When I revved it up to different points between 1800-2800 rpms, the voltage readings were all over the place each time. They never settled at any voltage or anything close to settling.