This could slip into an ugly thread with 'Deniers' vs 'Climate Change Loonies' real quick.

 

Nobody denies science (well maybe the people who say there are 83 different "genders".) Pseudo-science cargo cult BS isn't science.

The first rumblings in the 70s were all the alarmist headlines about "The Coming Ice Age" - both Time and Newsweek covers - we were entering a new glacial period. In the 90s there was a lot of talk about the necessity by international organizations of levying a "Carbon Tax", and then the "Global Warming" schemes started in earnest.

It is a case study in manipulation of facts and "manufactured consent" under the color of academic scholarship. Further the adherents are now calling for prosecution and imprisonment of anyone who doesn't toe the Lysenkoist dogma. It's a scam. Don't be fooled.

 

Tedster has it right. (Though I don't understand some of his words). Lol.
I tend to take sides AGAINST whichever party is discouraging open debate. And in the climate change argument (and culture war in general ) - it's always the liberal viewpoint.

They completely ignore basic science regarding abortion and gender and sexuality, but then they cram the "save the earth" movement down everyone's throats and commence name-calling anyone who opposes.

The more I learn about the world, the more the Bible makes perfect sense. I mean that sentence literally. Very very literally.

 

Solzhenitsyn was a "Soviet Dissident" back in the day, who spent a lot of time in the gulag. Those who didn't buy the communist line were (naturally) labeled as mental defectives in need of re-training. If one didn't buy their line of BS, there was obviously something wrong with you.His books are, or used to be, mandatory reading for those wishing to understand authoritarian, totalitarian, collectivist societies. He said the most succinct explanation he could come up with, was when people abandoned God, or morality if you will, they would fall for anything.

Many commentators have noticed that the global warming adherents in aggregate have all the hallmarks of a cult or pseudoreligion - the worship of nature, the need for a "devil"; (fossil fuels) scaring the hell out of people - acolytes or "high priests" - e.g. Al Gore - even "indulgences" - carbon credits.

Real science is peer reviewed, you have to show your work. When pronouncements or predictions are made, the data is provided for others to look at and critique. The person making the claim has to offer proof. "The Earth is warming, prove me wrong!" isn't how it works. This is the scientific method.

Curiously, though, in the case of "climate science" all this is dismissed, they claim that this isn't fair, that others will shoot their theories down. Well no kidding! That's the whole point. So they don't want anyone to see the raw data. Huge red flag right there. When they say "98% of all scientists say global warming is real." that is a talking point. What they did was find a self selected sample of scientists who already agree on that - who also happen to be funded to find in favor of this theory. Then they claim "the time for debate is over!" When we never had any debate to begin with. What data has been provided over the years is known to have been massaged, i.e. starting with the conclusion "the earth is warming" and then working backwards and bending the data to try and make it fit the conclusion. That isn't how science works.

 

climate change is happening.

the bible is a made up book written by man

Deal with it.

 

come on man, a few million people believe in climate change. Maybe even tens of millions. It's an idea spanning back a couple decades, and with questionable scientific "facts" forced on people by leaders with questionable morals. Where exactly is the evidence for climate change?
I'm not saying climate change is incorrect- I'm just saying that when the idea is forced on us with no room for discussion... we'll that's a reason to check the history books my friend.

Meanwhile, BILLIONS of people believe in the Bible for the last TWO THOUSAND years. Christianity has revolutionized the entire world. The entire civilized world is based on Christianity. Look at every single unChristian nation. China. Iraq. India. Russia. Have a look. What do you see? Good stuff?
Meanwhile you live in a nation built on the Bible and use your freedom to belittle it.
There's far more evidence for the Bible than there is for Homer's Iliad. That's a fact: google it.

 

Do you also need a discussion of whether there is gravity or not? How about the earth being flat? Sure looks flat to me... But those dang left wing scientists keep pushing the idea that gravity is real and that the earth is a sphere. And I bet they won't want to discuss it. Idiots.

This is from NASA--real scientists who have put men on the moon. I'm banking on the idea that peer-reviewed scientific studies with 97% consensus are more likely to contain "facts" than Fox News talking heads or "scientists" owned by the Koch Brothers and petroleum companies... https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Likewise, if you had cancer and were offered a treatment that 97% of peer-reviewed scientists believed would cure you, how hard would you want to argue on the side of the 3%?

I won't get into religion discussion, but isn't that "Pope" dude (who happens to have a degree in chemistry, which would make me consider him a scientist), warning about human caused climate change?

 

yes belief in an invisible man taught by 2000 year old primitive men make sense.....LOL
it is in fact a book created by man, not a false deity
google it

 

Trust in government and institutions, and the press, is close to nonexistent. And with good reason. They seem to lie about everything, why would this be any different? Do you really trust them? Even the weather has now been politicized. The oft-repeated "97% of scientists" is BS. It's not true.

The funding streams are also a big part of it. Give them the money, they'll find whatever you want them to. There is every reason to be extremely skeptical. The climate does change - nobody disputes that. Nasa will also tell you that the primary determinate is the Sun. Good ole' Sol is what dictates the Earth's temperature. But raising our taxes and crippling our industries won't do much about the Sun will it?

Mars too, is experiencing a warming trend - are we responsible for that? There are so many variables in the equation to reach complete absurdity. The fact that it is pushed by a passle of nickle****ers cinches it for me.

What is the "correct" temperature for the Earth anyway? At what point in the last, oh, 500,000 years, or 1,000,000 years - When was it "normal"? 100 years ago? 10,000 years ago? Who gets to decide that? The projections are that maybe in 100 years - something will happen, if we reduce carbon. I've seen this movie before. The sky is falling, please send money.

They said we would run out of oil by 1990 when I was in junior high school. Flat out. In no uncertain terms, we're going to run out of oil. Acid rain was going to kill all the trees. We were entering another Ice Age. Etc. There is hundreds of years worth of coal, gas, and oil in this country alone. Nobody has invented or discovered a more economical or energy dense source than oil. If there was, we'd use it. Coal and natural gas provide reliable, economical electricity for our homes. It is amazing how few recognize this. A presidential candidate or two actually said "we're going to put coal out of business" - in the nation that has the highest proven high quality coal reserves in the world! WTF?

12,000 years ago - nothing in geological terms - the state where I live, was covered by glaciers. Most of the central US was. Ice ages do suck. A warming trend is what made the whole region inhabitable in the first place. Global warming in that sense has been a definite improvement. Use your head, the brains that God gave you, and think for yourself. Don't be fooled, trust your instincts. Incidentally, there need be no conflict between science and religion - some of the greatest scientific discoveries and natural phenomena have been by men and women of great faith, it's always been that way.

 

YoGeorge, comparing gravity and earths shape to this new theory of climate change is silly. You'll have to choose a more reasonable example to make your point. It's not reasonable to prove your viewpoint with statements that make the assumption that it's true.

And if the cancer treatment you mention involves silencing and name-calling the dissenters, then yes I would certainly reconsider before getting that treatment. Funny how conservative news sources were the only ones reporting on the evidence of climate changers inside emails admitting to faked data. It was a couple years ago- I wonder if you guys even heard about it on your favorite information sources...

And lastly, the current Pope has made quite a name for himself of trying to " liberalize" the religion that he is leader of. What did you think of the previous pope? Besides all that there's some serious stains on that entire version of christiantiy. Anyone who has read an actual bible for more than an hour can see it. Pharisees and Sadduccees- It's in there boldly and somehow Catholicism is blind to it for literally 2,000 years. The entire bible is about Jesus redeeming humankind, and yet they choose to worship Mary and the Apostles . Duh?!?!

I guess this this whole discussion comes down to who we believe- who we put our faith in. Vettex believes the news and people he watches and YoGeorge believes in the ones he watches and Tedster..., and I believe the ones I watch. None of us actually knows if the earth is flat or round after all... the big difference is that conservative news tells both sides, whereas liberal/mainstream media tells THEIR side and belittles the opposing information. I've seen it plenty. But I bet you haven't, because you "don't know what you don't know"....

*******So this this whole discussion should be about why we choose to believe the sources we choose. The one single common element is SIN. It's been the problem since God created humans.Liberal "values" give a thumbs up to sin. Murdering babies in the womb, sexual perversions, foul language, self-centeredness, overspending government funds, keeping people in bondage through welfare programs, fatherless societies and broken families, claiming racism and hate when it isn't, name calling opposition, riots instead of discussions...

Gods people oppose sin because He does. And everyone else simply has a mental justification for their sins of choice. I know this because I've been on both sides. I've been Vettex and now I'm not. I was a guy who used foul language and "worshipped" cars and money and sexual prowess and obtaining the approval of others, and disrespected women and spent my life serving myself and thinking religion was stupid. I literally was exactly that person.

But God, with a mighty hand... redeemed me.
And I wouldn't go back for Bill Gates' bank account, or a garage full of Lamborghini's, or any other thing.

 

so you oppose BILLIONS of people and thousands of years of recorded history. Gotcha.

im here to tell you, as one person of those billions, that it's real and it all makes perfect sense. If you don't respect my statement enough to consider it then I guess we are done here.
(For the record; I do respect your statement enough to consider it- I lived your worldview for 25 years. Come check out mine for a few weeks.)

 

I saw this coming alright. But then, Forrest Gump could have seen this coming. Send a thread down a religious or political slide and watch the hats get tossed into the ring!

 

me too

vettex2 started it…

I will buy a silver membership for anybody who needs one so we can continue the discussion in the members only area

 

remember, people who thought the earth was flat wrote your holy book
just because there are billions of backward thinking people does not make them right.
Ignorance is the root of all religions. Religion is the root of all evil and most wars
sheeple follow blindly

 

no, you mentioned bible. BS
You started it
I mentioned the fact the climate change will put Fla. under water.

Also science has zero to do with politics unless you are a blind follower
I believe in science, not trumpanzee BS

I also believe in racing to win by using knowledge, not being a backmarker who drives blindly w/o having a clue.