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I understand that an F-250 would solve the issues easily. Just not in the budget right now so trying to be as safe as possible. I"m still under the GCVW by quite a bit. In my mind that means the truck is going to be able to stop safely. I get that I'm putting extra strain on the axles, axle bearings, and rear suspension but that's just where we have to be for right now.
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riddleswest, I'm normally all over these threads, but have been away for a while. It looks like you are on the right track.
Formula for tongue weight with WD not attached is
(Drive plus steer axles with trailer) minus (drive plus steer without trailer).
The guys have given you some great advice, and overall, I think you are in a situation you can work with. Moving some weight around in the trailer to make the trailer axles take more load is an option. If you can carry your beer and ice chest inside maybe? Or run with fewer tools in the bed?
Formula for tongue weight with WD not attached is
(Drive plus steer axles with trailer) minus (drive plus steer without trailer).
The guys have given you some great advice, and overall, I think you are in a situation you can work with. Moving some weight around in the trailer to make the trailer axles take more load is an option. If you can carry your beer and ice chest inside maybe? Or run with fewer tools in the bed?
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Just tossing this out for whatever, but if this kind of overload was posted on one of the truck camper forums, I think most folks would be asking why you are even concerned. Try what seventyseven250 is saying. Sometimes a little goes a long ways.
Oh, and don't race any more Toyotas (unless you win).
Steve
Oh, and don't race any more Toyotas (unless you win).
Steve
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Ahhh that's where the 940 comes from. Thank you. And like I said before the truck handles very well with the load. I'm probably going to buy the 15k rated reese hitch from my neighbor anyway. Its the straight line with the sway control and I think I can get the whole set up for about $300. The bars are rated at 1200 lbs. I don't think that's too much overkill.
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He is under his GVWR and GCWR. Why is a bigger truck needed?
You need to add the weights on the front and rear axles before and after and subtract the difference in the total between them.
The 1200 lbs you are seeing increase on the rear axle is because weight from the front axle shifts to the back with the trailer hooked job without a WDH.
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WD Hitch No WD Hitch
Front- 3020lbs Front- 2780lbs
Rear- 4340lbs Rear- 4660lbs
Trailer-6640lbs Trailer- 6540lbs
Total-14000lbs Total- 1380lbs (not sure why this changed 20lbs)
Loaded truck by itself- Front- 3120
Rear- 3380
Total- 6500
Front- 3020lbs Front- 2780lbs
Rear- 4340lbs Rear- 4660lbs
Trailer-6640lbs Trailer- 6540lbs
Total-14000lbs Total- 1380lbs (not sure why this changed 20lbs)
Loaded truck by itself- Front- 3120
Rear- 3380
Total- 6500
I'm not sure there is anything to solve here except the rear sag. Put on some air bags, readjust the hitch for the new height and stick a fork in it - this one is done.
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He is still unloading the front axle some. Though it is pretty good.
I'm not sure why people are saying he is overloaded. His GVWR is 7700 and his total weight is under that. I get him at 7360 all hooked up. Is he over on is RAWR?
I'm not sure there is anything to solve here except the rear sag. Put on some air bags, readjust the hitch for the new height and stick a fork in it - this one is done.
I'm not sure why people are saying he is overloaded. His GVWR is 7700 and his total weight is under that. I get him at 7360 all hooked up. Is he over on is RAWR?
I'm not sure there is anything to solve here except the rear sag. Put on some air bags, readjust the hitch for the new height and stick a fork in it - this one is done.
). I agree with what you are saying. The 100 pounds difference on the front axle is putting a cooler of beer in the back seat. All I was ever pushing for was CAT scale weights. I think I said earlier on in this thread, if the weights are good, all it is is preference.
Steve
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Earlier in the post he said his RAWR was 4050, so he is over by a few hundred pounds there.
Would be nice to move that much to the trailer if possible.
But short of that, everything is much better than anticipated.
This is why you shouldn't scale your rig ... now you have a decision to make
I know what I would do.....
Would be nice to move that much to the trailer if possible.
But short of that, everything is much better than anticipated.
This is why you shouldn't scale your rig ... now you have a decision to make
I know what I would do.....
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I agree 100% on both points.
As a side note, if you have the Reese WD hitch already, you can buy the straight line cams with absolute confidence. They do exactly what they say they do. Highly recommended.
The only downside is that you will have to relocate your brackets forward with the cams. Usually not a problem but I had to move my LP tanks to accommodate the new position of the snap up brackets.
As a side note, if you have the Reese WD hitch already, you can buy the straight line cams with absolute confidence. They do exactly what they say they do. Highly recommended.
The only downside is that you will have to relocate your brackets forward with the cams. Usually not a problem but I had to move my LP tanks to accommodate the new position of the snap up brackets.
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I agree 100% on both points.
As a side note, if you have the Reese WD hitch already, you can buy the straight line cams with absolute confidence. They do exactly what they say they do. Highly recommended.
The only downside is that you will have to relocate your brackets forward with the cams. Usually not a problem but I had to move my LP tanks to accommodate the new position of the snap up brackets.
As a side note, if you have the Reese WD hitch already, you can buy the straight line cams with absolute confidence. They do exactly what they say they do. Highly recommended.
The only downside is that you will have to relocate your brackets forward with the cams. Usually not a problem but I had to move my LP tanks to accommodate the new position of the snap up brackets.
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I just moved them forward a few inches.
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scale most likely displays in 20lb increments and rounds to the nearest 20. you are measuring on 3 scales that round and adding them up. you will have some variance.
15+15+20=50
rounded 20+20+20=60
15+15+20=50
rounded 20+20+20=60