Changes for 2018?
Fleet Mechanic
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Oh gotcha. Though, I wouldn't trust a lunchbox locker with the torque of the diesel.
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I used them without trouble in lots of smaller trucks though. I think I still have an Aussie locker in the rear one of the FJ40's. For the money they can work well. Though I did destroy a couple of Powertrax Lock-Right's before moving to ARB's.
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Some other benefits to consider on F450 vs F350 DRW
- The 19.5 tires are thicker (less likely to get a flat) and last much longer than the LT tires on the F350. They provide superior lateral stability and also look great.
- The brake pads are 50% larger
- The brake rotors are a little larger
- The wider front stance may help some with tow stability, though I'm sure the F350 DRW is very stable like my F450.
It's hard to overstate the benefit of the turning radius on the wide-track. Nearly every time you park or back in a trailer, you'll be very glad you have it.[/QUOTE]
Dont forget significantly larger sway bars front and rear on the 450, a major handling improvement to consider when hauling a truck camper
Some other benefits to consider on F450 vs F350 DRW
- The 19.5 tires are thicker (less likely to get a flat) and last much longer than the LT tires on the F350. They provide superior lateral stability and also look great.
- The brake pads are 50% larger
- The brake rotors are a little larger
- The wider front stance may help some with tow stability, though I'm sure the F350 DRW is very stable like my F450.
It's hard to overstate the benefit of the turning radius on the wide-track. Nearly every time you park or back in a trailer, you'll be very glad you have it.[/QUOTE]
Dont forget significantly larger sway bars front and rear on the 450, a major handling improvement to consider when hauling a truck camper
Tuned
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Looking at the debate of 350 vs 450 and like most debates like this, you simply having people defend what they went with. It's called confirmation bias as someone mentioned in this thread.
Make no mistake the 450 does have significant advantages over the 350, but the 350 does have advantages as well.
350 pros:
- Cheaper purchase price
- cheaper tires
- better tires for snow environments
- better mpg
- tpms
- better on paper payload
450 pros:
- significantly bigger brakes
- much better turning radius
- better tires for non snow areas
- better looking rims (subjective)
- better looking overall (again subjective)
- slightly higher towing
Frame is the exact same as are the springs. Axle capacity is the exact same and I think the rear shafts are bigger simply because of the lower gears and taller tires putting more stress on them. Factoring that in I think the stress they could take is the exact same between the two.
Also I would like to address the grinding down the 350 bump stops in effort to get a better turning radius. It will put a slight bit more stress on the components. I think clearance will become an issue. Please keep in mind that with no load or changing dynamics on the front axle it may clear (may, let me restate that) but when the front starts compressing and articulating or diving under braking, you likely could hit something. It could also void your warranty.
But in my opinion if you tow over 20k, the 450 is for sure the way to go. The bigger brakes are worth it alone but also maneuvering the truck and trailer. Below 20k is up to preference and weighing the pros and cons but I still would go for the 450.
Make no mistake the 450 does have significant advantages over the 350, but the 350 does have advantages as well.
350 pros:
- Cheaper purchase price
- cheaper tires
- better tires for snow environments
- better mpg
- tpms
- better on paper payload
450 pros:
- significantly bigger brakes
- much better turning radius
- better tires for non snow areas
- better looking rims (subjective)
- better looking overall (again subjective)
- slightly higher towing
Frame is the exact same as are the springs. Axle capacity is the exact same and I think the rear shafts are bigger simply because of the lower gears and taller tires putting more stress on them. Factoring that in I think the stress they could take is the exact same between the two.
Also I would like to address the grinding down the 350 bump stops in effort to get a better turning radius. It will put a slight bit more stress on the components. I think clearance will become an issue. Please keep in mind that with no load or changing dynamics on the front axle it may clear (may, let me restate that) but when the front starts compressing and articulating or diving under braking, you likely could hit something. It could also void your warranty.
But in my opinion if you tow over 20k, the 450 is for sure the way to go. The bigger brakes are worth it alone but also maneuvering the truck and trailer. Below 20k is up to preference and weighing the pros and cons but I still would go for the 450.
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We've got 2018 F150s on some dealer lots here now. You'll be seeing them soon. I'm seriously considering going with the aftermarket amp, xc, speakers to update the Sony system in my 350. I have it in my current 2014 F150 and it's very mediocre. Even with upgraded Infinity speakers.
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Tomorrow I am going to order an F450 King Ranch. The price is about $15,000 less than it was in January of this year.
I am not aware of any big changes coming for 2018 but I have heard about a new front fascia and tail lights for the 2019.
I've also read about a possible 10 speed trans in 2019 and I'd rather stick with the current one for now.
Besides this news, are there any drastic updates coming for 2018?
I am not aware of any big changes coming for 2018 but I have heard about a new front fascia and tail lights for the 2019.
I've also read about a possible 10 speed trans in 2019 and I'd rather stick with the current one for now.
Besides this news, are there any drastic updates coming for 2018?
Tuned
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Bump. I was really hoping the '18 order guide would be available by now. Having a copy printed out would give me something to do in the event we lose power this weekend (I'm in FL). Anyone with access please keep us updated.
Tuned
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Doesn't look like it is available yet.
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My bro found out the hard way that the 450 is significantly more expensive to insure than a 350 would have been for him. He wouldn't have gotten the 450 if he had looked closely at that cost first. But he does love that turning radius.
Looking at the debate of 350 vs 450 and like most debates like this, you simply having people defend what they went with. It's called confirmation bias as someone mentioned in this thread.
Make no mistake the 450 does have significant advantages over the 350, but the 350 does have advantages as well.
350 pros:
- Cheaper purchase price
- cheaper tires
- better tires for snow environments
- better mpg
- tpms
- better on paper payload
450 pros:
- significantly bigger brakes
- much better turning radius
- better tires for non snow areas
- better looking rims (subjective)
- better looking overall (again subjective)
- slightly higher towing
Frame is the exact same as are the springs. Axle capacity is the exact same and I think the rear shafts are bigger simply because of the lower gears and taller tires putting more stress on them. Factoring that in I think the stress they could take is the exact same between the two.
Also I would like to address the grinding down the 350 bump stops in effort to get a better turning radius. It will put a slight bit more stress on the components. I think clearance will become an issue. Please keep in mind that with no load or changing dynamics on the front axle it may clear (may, let me restate that) but when the front starts compressing and articulating or diving under braking, you likely could hit something. It could also void your warranty.
But in my opinion if you tow over 20k, the 450 is for sure the way to go. The bigger brakes are worth it alone but also maneuvering the truck and trailer. Below 20k is up to preference and weighing the pros and cons but I still would go for the 450.
Make no mistake the 450 does have significant advantages over the 350, but the 350 does have advantages as well.
350 pros:
- Cheaper purchase price
- cheaper tires
- better tires for snow environments
- better mpg
- tpms
- better on paper payload
450 pros:
- significantly bigger brakes
- much better turning radius
- better tires for non snow areas
- better looking rims (subjective)
- better looking overall (again subjective)
- slightly higher towing
Frame is the exact same as are the springs. Axle capacity is the exact same and I think the rear shafts are bigger simply because of the lower gears and taller tires putting more stress on them. Factoring that in I think the stress they could take is the exact same between the two.
Also I would like to address the grinding down the 350 bump stops in effort to get a better turning radius. It will put a slight bit more stress on the components. I think clearance will become an issue. Please keep in mind that with no load or changing dynamics on the front axle it may clear (may, let me restate that) but when the front starts compressing and articulating or diving under braking, you likely could hit something. It could also void your warranty.
But in my opinion if you tow over 20k, the 450 is for sure the way to go. The bigger brakes are worth it alone but also maneuvering the truck and trailer. Below 20k is up to preference and weighing the pros and cons but I still would go for the 450.
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Depends on where you live. Where I live in Canada it's the same price.
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this is all that's out for now from previous post
2018 Ford Super Duty Order Guide Companion
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hnj46jm3jp...duced.pdf?dl=0
2018 Ford Super Duty Order Guide Companion
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hnj46jm3jp...duced.pdf?dl=0
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From: Hollister, CA
Agreed... I got a quote from my company and it was $250 more than my F150 for the year. Which I dont think is bad at all considering the cost difference of the vehicle.