who makes New OEM-spec distributor
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who makes New OEM-spec distributor
Out of curiosity, who out there makes a new distributor that matches the original OEM distributor on a 1970 F250 with a 360 engine ... of quality? Or maybe the OEM part itself is still being made? I don't remember what this one would be. Motorcraft?
Currently we're using NAPA's remanufactured distributor "NRD 482807" ... But I'd like to know if there's a quality replacement for points and at original resistance levels -- not an electronic ignition -- all original set-up.
I seriously question the parts quality at any of the major parts stores.
( On RockAuto, I see this: CARDONE SELECT 842807 Includes Cap & Rotor; Point Type with 1/4" Allen Hole in Shaft; without Governor; with Single Vacuum; with Standard Ignition
Has anyone had experience with this one? )
Currently we're using NAPA's remanufactured distributor "NRD 482807" ... But I'd like to know if there's a quality replacement for points and at original resistance levels -- not an electronic ignition -- all original set-up.
I seriously question the parts quality at any of the major parts stores.
( On RockAuto, I see this: CARDONE SELECT 842807 Includes Cap & Rotor; Point Type with 1/4" Allen Hole in Shaft; without Governor; with Single Vacuum; with Standard Ignition
Has anyone had experience with this one? )
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So, in the spirit of “ this is my dad’s truck, not mine,” I’m sticking with: What are the best quality new points system distributors for a 70 F250?
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I get the logic, but there are two cases I know this isn’t true: one - when someone is doing a restoration to all original intentionally, and two - when it’s my dad’s truck. You could throw all the world’s logic at him, but when he hears the word “electronic” he is 200% not interested... in fact, in my years of working on vehicles with him, the only upgrade he might agree with is to a dual master cylinder on older brakes.
So, in the spirit of “ this is my dad’s truck, not mine,” I’m sticking with: What are the best quality new points system distributors for a 70 F250?
Then I suggest searching for a never-been-installed NOS distributor or rebuilding the one ya got. An get NOS Motorcraft/Autolite condenser and points.
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These kits covered most Fords with 18mm spark plugs. If my memory is right the plugs were 42s. I was able to get them at Blue sheet Jobber for less than $10.00 per kit. Of course a tune up was around $35-40 at that time. And we were paying .50 per 16oz can of F 12.
If you can get one I am sure your Dad will really get a kick out of that, it would make a good Christmas present!
If you can get one I am sure your Dad will really get a kick out of that, it would make a good Christmas present!
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Consists of (8) B8A-12405-A (BF-42) Spark Plugs / B8Q-12171-A (DP-6) Points / B7A-12200-A (DR-5) Rotor / C9AZ-12300-A [replaced B7A-12300-A] (DC-13-A) Condenser
NOS PARTS SOURCE in Olathe KS has 1 = 913-220-5746.
GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 54 = 800-543-4959.
Thru 1971, there were two V8 point plates, upper and lower. In 1972, Ford replaced them with a one piece plate: D2PZ-12151-A (Motorcraft DB-187-A).
The so-called one piece plate consisted of an upper and lower plate held together with plastic bushings. The bushing cracked apart, the point plate wobbled.
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I did some testing of the automotive condensers, both 60s pulls and NOS, they are not necessarily any good, time takes its toll. I noticed all of the 60s pulls from my junkbox tested perfect for capacitance value, and leakage at 500 volts DC, but, they won't pass the insulation test. Maybe they absorbed moisture over the years or corroded internally or something like that. How they were stored probably has a big effect.
One of the old pranks was to charge up a condenser and toss it to your buddy, or better, leave it laying around somewhere someone was bound to pick it up and fiddle with it. Heh. Well, I noticed with the old school pulls, they won't hold a charge hardly at all, maybe a second. If I was really interested I'd install one and see what the ignition scope patterns look like, but they fail one of the key tests. They should also be tested at normal operating temperature, i.e. really Hot. A good condenser of that size though should hold a charge for hours and hours.
If ya just gotta use points and condenser, if it were me I'd try to use one manufactured a lot more recently by Motorcraft or equivalent. Maybe buy a few of them,and have them tested on the proper equipment. A DVM or Fluke cannot do this. It will tell you the capacitance value, but they can't apply working voltages which is the real test. The "sealed can" type might be an OK bet, but I was surprised at a Motorcraft "tune-up kit" the kind that included points, condenser, and a small pack of distributor cam lube. The condenser was completely dead, didn't expect that.
The condenser is important to ignition quality, just because the engine runs doesn't mean it's running nearly as well as it should. I have also had good luck with modern non-automotive capacitors. SBE or Sprague line of 716P 0.22uF 600 volt polypropylene "Orange Drops". These are heavy duty enough to handle the current, an automotive ignition condenser is pretty rough service. Have to find a way to secure them so the leads and body of the capacitor don't move or flex due to vibration, or the leads will work harden and probably break. Maybe a dab of silicone or something like that.
Now the NOS (or even used) points are probably better than anything you can buy today. Another thing a scope will show clearly, a worn out or higher mileage loosey-goosey distributor will never tune right. The point gap will change because the distributor shaft wobbles, and it doesn't take much. Have fun trying to set the dwell on that! Worn distributor gear doesn't help anything either. I agree, NOS or NORS distributor is the only way to go, esp. if running points. Check any distributor (even "rebuilt" or remanufactured) before installation for excessive shaft wobble, it really shouldn't have any sideplay, just barely enough for oil lubrication and that's about it.
One of the old pranks was to charge up a condenser and toss it to your buddy, or better, leave it laying around somewhere someone was bound to pick it up and fiddle with it. Heh. Well, I noticed with the old school pulls, they won't hold a charge hardly at all, maybe a second. If I was really interested I'd install one and see what the ignition scope patterns look like, but they fail one of the key tests. They should also be tested at normal operating temperature, i.e. really Hot. A good condenser of that size though should hold a charge for hours and hours.
If ya just gotta use points and condenser, if it were me I'd try to use one manufactured a lot more recently by Motorcraft or equivalent. Maybe buy a few of them,and have them tested on the proper equipment. A DVM or Fluke cannot do this. It will tell you the capacitance value, but they can't apply working voltages which is the real test. The "sealed can" type might be an OK bet, but I was surprised at a Motorcraft "tune-up kit" the kind that included points, condenser, and a small pack of distributor cam lube. The condenser was completely dead, didn't expect that.
The condenser is important to ignition quality, just because the engine runs doesn't mean it's running nearly as well as it should. I have also had good luck with modern non-automotive capacitors. SBE or Sprague line of 716P 0.22uF 600 volt polypropylene "Orange Drops". These are heavy duty enough to handle the current, an automotive ignition condenser is pretty rough service. Have to find a way to secure them so the leads and body of the capacitor don't move or flex due to vibration, or the leads will work harden and probably break. Maybe a dab of silicone or something like that.
Now the NOS (or even used) points are probably better than anything you can buy today. Another thing a scope will show clearly, a worn out or higher mileage loosey-goosey distributor will never tune right. The point gap will change because the distributor shaft wobbles, and it doesn't take much. Have fun trying to set the dwell on that! Worn distributor gear doesn't help anything either. I agree, NOS or NORS distributor is the only way to go, esp. if running points. Check any distributor (even "rebuilt" or remanufactured) before installation for excessive shaft wobble, it really shouldn't have any sideplay, just barely enough for oil lubrication and that's about it.
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Good to know, @hivoltj ... I'll look into them. In my dad's case, it's not what it looks like, though -- it's what it does. He's leery of any new technology and he's got a little bit of the 'survivalist' mentality in him.
He thinks: 1) newfangled electronics stuff is just more to go wrong that we can't fix ... and 2) when the [insert invader of choice] fire off an EMP, his old truck will start, while all the new cars get fried. (I've seen a video that somewhat debunks this belief, but who am I to argue with my ol' man?
With time, maybe I can convince him it's all ... point-less ( I just had to say it. ). This is his primary transportation. So, it may just be a matter of time before he gives up in frustration and opts for that "electronic gizmo" distributor. That's my working theory.
He thinks: 1) newfangled electronics stuff is just more to go wrong that we can't fix ... and 2) when the [insert invader of choice] fire off an EMP, his old truck will start, while all the new cars get fried. (I've seen a video that somewhat debunks this belief, but who am I to argue with my ol' man?
With time, maybe I can convince him it's all ... point-less ( I just had to say it. ). This is his primary transportation. So, it may just be a matter of time before he gives up in frustration and opts for that "electronic gizmo" distributor. That's my working theory.