38R to T4 364.5 SXE Conversion
#46
CSD T4 setup from DP = $1350
https://www.dp-tuner.com/csd-turbo-mount.html
S364.5SXE turbo from DP = $875
https://www.dp-tuner.com/bws300sxe64-5.html
Custom tuning from X brand = ~$200
Total upgrade cost = $2425
Missing anything here fellas?
https://www.dp-tuner.com/csd-turbo-mount.html
S364.5SXE turbo from DP = $875
https://www.dp-tuner.com/bws300sxe64-5.html
Custom tuning from X brand = ~$200
Total upgrade cost = $2425
Missing anything here fellas?
#47
The fact of the matter is that the truck runs well as it is, but I do intend to get 160/80 injectors one day to replace the stock injectors that will eventually crap the bed so to speak. At that point, I will get an S&B intake and new turbo, be it whichever turbo I can afford and is in stock at the time.
This discussion is not only for me because it takes a long time and a lot of consideration when I am looking to spend this kind of money, but for others in a similar situation as I am and have not made up their mind yet.
#48
Yep same boat here. Not really sure why I am looking. Hauled tractors to storage the other day and I swear the truck was running the best it ever has. Truck and trailer were 18300 on the scale empty. Tractors is 8k so that makes it 26k. Hills around here are short but can be steep. Roads are crap so 50 to 60 is plenty fast. 4th gear 1:1 zf6 ran 2400 to 2600 rpm with no egt issues. Plenty of power and boost. Why am I even looking at turbos? I blame sous akcooper the brad srbf150 skyskijayson and the rest of you in no particular order
#49
CSD T4 setup from DP = $1350
https://www.dp-tuner.com/csd-turbo-mount.html
S364.5SXE turbo from DP = $875
https://www.dp-tuner.com/bws300sxe64-5.html
Custom tuning from X brand = ~$200
Total upgrade cost = $2425
Missing anything here fellas?
https://www.dp-tuner.com/csd-turbo-mount.html
S364.5SXE turbo from DP = $875
https://www.dp-tuner.com/bws300sxe64-5.html
Custom tuning from X brand = ~$200
Total upgrade cost = $2425
Missing anything here fellas?
The 364 comes in 2 flavors, a 68mm and a 74mm turbine exducer. DP only sells the 68mm last I heard. As fast as it spools with the 74mm on stock injectors, I don’t see a need for the 68mm unless you’re trying to tow under 1500rpm.
#50
Yep same boat here. Not really sure why I am looking. Hauled tractors to storage the other day and I swear the truck was running the best it ever has. Truck and trailer were 18300 on the scale empty. Tractors is 8k so that makes it 26k. Hills around here are short but can be steep. Roads are crap so 50 to 60 is plenty fast. 4th gear 1:1 zf6 ran 2400 to 2600 rpm with no egt issues. Plenty of power and boost. Why am I even looking at turbos? I blame sous akcooper the brad srbf150 skyskijayson and the rest of you in no particular order
#51
CSD T4 setup from DP = $1350
https://www.dp-tuner.com/csd-turbo-mount.html
S364.5SXE turbo from DP = $875
https://www.dp-tuner.com/bws300sxe64-5.html
Custom tuning from X brand = ~$200
Total upgrade cost = $2425
Missing anything here fellas?
https://www.dp-tuner.com/csd-turbo-mount.html
S364.5SXE turbo from DP = $875
https://www.dp-tuner.com/bws300sxe64-5.html
Custom tuning from X brand = ~$200
Total upgrade cost = $2425
Missing anything here fellas?
Yes I paid close to 2500 (did ceramic coating) but sold close to 700 dollars in stock parts and then leveraged my credit (opened 2 cards that offered 200 cash back on the first 1000 purchases and then paid off and closed them) to generate even more case towards the T4/SXE purchase. This put me at, close or under the current 1500 dollar price tags for drop in.
Sorry folks, the Borg Warner SXE line is awesome. A few observations:
-Towing our 5th wheel at 65mph in OD, EGT is 800
-Towing the 5th, lugging in OD up a modest incline at ~1600rpm EGT is 1100
-low rpm and mid range boost is significantly better, I use a mechanical boost gauge now and can read 1psi changes.
-Off the line response is the best it's been (even better now with 1023 tuning)
-3/4 throttle starting at 65mph in my "hot" 1023 Cummins Killer tune is ridiculous... hit's 40psi and 80mph in a flash....It feels like a hotrod.
I like having a standard platform now that if I wanted to try a different SXE, it's a piece of cake. The Up pipes are much better too.
-Towing our 5th wheel at 65mph in OD, EGT is 800
-Towing the 5th, lugging in OD up a modest incline at ~1600rpm EGT is 1100
-low rpm and mid range boost is significantly better, I use a mechanical boost gauge now and can read 1psi changes.
-Off the line response is the best it's been (even better now with 1023 tuning)
-3/4 throttle starting at 65mph in my "hot" 1023 Cummins Killer tune is ridiculous... hit's 40psi and 80mph in a flash....It feels like a hotrod.
I like having a standard platform now that if I wanted to try a different SXE, it's a piece of cake. The Up pipes are much better too.
Who would that be?! Sous, "friends don't let friends buy drop in 7.3 turbos"
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#54
I bought everything from Carson direct. But you can get the turbro from any where. Prices are pretty even on the turbo.
#55
Both CNC Fabrication and KC Turbo have them listed as out of stock. That does not make me want to jump up and down to spend $1000 more for the T4/364.5 setup, but it certainly does help a bit. I guess when I finally have enough pennies saved up for a turbo upgrade, I will have to re-evaluate my needs and wants for the truck and move forward from there.
The fact of the matter is that the truck runs well as it is, but I do intend to get 160/80 injectors one day to replace the stock injectors that will eventually crap the bed so to speak. At that point, I will get an S&B intake and new turbo, be it whichever turbo I can afford and is in stock at the time.
This discussion is not only for me because it takes a long time and a lot of consideration when I am looking to spend this kind of money, but for others in a similar situation as I am and have not made up their mind yet.
The fact of the matter is that the truck runs well as it is, but I do intend to get 160/80 injectors one day to replace the stock injectors that will eventually crap the bed so to speak. At that point, I will get an S&B intake and new turbo, be it whichever turbo I can afford and is in stock at the time.
This discussion is not only for me because it takes a long time and a lot of consideration when I am looking to spend this kind of money, but for others in a similar situation as I am and have not made up their mind yet.
My truck needs injectors at this point. This is the reason I have been researching injectors and a turbo replacement. I'm looking for street performance and some what longevity. I don't tow anything over 4k.
Most people with T4 kits have the opinion it's easy to change turbo's at $700-800 each. There have been a lot of 300 series failures to due cast wheels. Personally I want to put ONE turbo on and work with tuning rather than replace the turbo. Also the KC turbo has an two different ar's available in case you ever go up to larger injectors. Plus dual ball bearings and a larger shaft.
Where is the advantage?
#56
The older SX turbos were cast wheel and 270* bearing. The new SXEs are FMW (forged milled wheel) making them strong, yet lighter than billet and have a 360* thrust bearing. I fully expect over a 100k miles before rebuilding, which will cost the same as rebuilding a stock turbo. There are 3 exhaust housings available: .84/.91/1.0 With 238/100s and a 366/74/1.0, the pressure is 1:1 up to 42psi.
#57
The SXE line we are all talking about are Forged Metal Wheels not cast (compressor side anyways)
What are you asking for advantages of? Drop ins or T4/SXE?
Last edited by akcooper9; 11-15-2017 at 09:16 PM. Reason: spelling
#58
I dont share or have that opinion. But 700 is half the cost of a 'drop in'.
The SXE line we are all talking about are Forged Metal Wheels not cast (compressor side anyways)
How would you know if the turbo you put in is a success or not?
What rpm she lights and EGT's
I tried both the .84 and the 1.0 and could not keep EGTs under 1200 towing with anything but a 'heavy tow tune'
What Injector's are you running?
What are you asking for advantages of? Drop ins or T4/SXE?
The SXE line we are all talking about are Forged Metal Wheels not cast (compressor side anyways)
How would you know if the turbo you put in is a success or not?
What rpm she lights and EGT's
I tried both the .84 and the 1.0 and could not keep EGTs under 1200 towing with anything but a 'heavy tow tune'
What Injector's are you running?
What are you asking for advantages of? Drop ins or T4/SXE?
#59
#60
Also this thread is comparing the old 38R /T4 not the new version of the KC38r.