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Old Jul 4, 2017 | 07:53 AM
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Ford 330 Options

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New to the forum, thought maybe some of you could help... We have a Ford 600 on the farm we use as a grain truck. It has a 330 engine in it. 4 years ago, it got a crack in it and had coolant in the oil. We took it to a local shop who discovered the crack and suggested sending it off to be rebuilt by Jasper. He arranged for this and informed Jasper of the crack which they said they could fix. We got the engine back and installed it. We then used it one season hauling grain with good results. The next season, same deal. At this point, it had about 540 miles on the engine.

Last fall, I got it out and had no brakes. I couldn't get them working and so we took it back to the same shop. Of course, this was during harvest season. Upon driving it there, my dad noticed it wasn't running well. The brakes got fixed and the mechanic started diagnosing the running issue and found a lobe worn off the cam in the 540 miles. It was repaired, Jasper didn't stand behind it, and we dropped some more money into the truck.

We got it back after harvest was over and drove it 9 miles to put into the shed. This was last fall.

Dad got it out last week to start it and run it a bit. The battery was dead, so he bought a new one and installed it. It started and ran 2-3 minutes and died. It was restarted and died in another 2-3 minutes. Somewhere in there, he noticed it did not register oil pressure on the gauge. On the second "died" he tried to restart it and it wouldn't turn over.

The mechanic was called out and he found he couldn't pull the distributor out. He came back another day and found that 4 cylinders are siezed, antifreeze in the oil again, and the crack not fixed and leaking again. The engine, now with ~550 miles on it, is trashed.

So, barring Jasper standing behind this thing, we're looking at options. 1.) bother to fix it again? 2.) what other engines could be put in place (the mechanic couldn't find a 330 when this one was fixed)? Other ideas? We've put a lot of money in the truck (brakes, tires, you name it, and it's worthless now...

So, can anyone suggest replacement engines that might be easier to find that would bolt into the 330 hole?

VIN is C60CU809980.

Thanks!!!!
 
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Old Jul 4, 2017 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rwrightsman
Hi,

New to the forum, thought maybe some of you could help... We have a Ford C600 tilt cab on the farm we use as a grain truck. It has a 330 engine in it. 4 years ago, it got a crack in it and had coolant in the oil. We took it to a local shop who discovered the crack and suggested sending it off to be rebuilt by Jasper. He arranged for this and informed Jasper of the crack which they said they could fix. We got the engine back and installed it. We then used it one season hauling grain with good results. The next season, same deal. At this point, it had about 540 miles on the engine.

Last fall, I got it out and had no brakes. I couldn't get them working and so we took it back to the same shop. Of course, this was during harvest season. Upon driving it there, my dad noticed it wasn't running well. The brakes got fixed and the mechanic started diagnosing the running issue and found a lobe worn off the cam in the 540 miles. It was repaired, Jasper didn't stand behind it, and we dropped some more money into the truck.

We got it back after harvest was over and drove it 9 miles to put into the shed. This was last fall.

Dad got it out last week to start it and run it a bit. The battery was dead, so he bought a new one and installed it. It started and ran 2-3 minutes and died. It was restarted and died in another 2-3 minutes. Somewhere in there, he noticed it did not register oil pressure on the gauge. On the second "died" he tried to restart it and it wouldn't turn over.

The mechanic was called out and he found he couldn't pull the distributor out. He came back another day and found that 4 cylinders are seized, antifreeze in the oil again, and the crack not fixed and leaking again. The engine, now with ~550 miles on it, is trashed.

So, barring Jasper standing behind this thing, we're looking at options. 1.) bother to fix it again? 2.) what other engines could be put in place (the mechanic couldn't find a 330 when this one was fixed)? Other ideas? We've put a lot of money in the truck (brakes, tires, you name it, and it's worthless now...

So, can anyone suggest replacement engines that might be easier to find that would bolt into the 330 hole?

VIN is C60CU809980.
C60 = C600 Tilt Cab (gas).

C = 330 2V Medium Duty FT engine.

U = Louisville KY Assembly Plant.

809980 = 1966.

The 330 2V Medium Duty is the most common FT engine, installed in 1964/78 500 and larger series trucks.

Other FT's are the 330 2V Heavy Duty, 361 2V and 391 4V.

I suggest getting another 330 2V Medium Duty, as the flywheel, clutch and etc. parts used with the other FT's are different.
 
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Old Jul 4, 2017 | 05:43 PM
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Thanks for the information. Would you have any suggestions on where to get one reasonable? The truck isn't worth a whole lot, but we've put a lot of parts on it and really don't want to throw that all away.

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Old Jul 4, 2017 | 05:50 PM
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Start Here- Ford 330 361 391 Engine Short Block for FT Ford Truck Medium Duty Trucks

Keep the board posted please...
 
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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 11:41 AM
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Be careful if you look for an FT short block. The one referenced in KULTULZ's post says it works for 330/361/391 engines. The 330 has a bore of 3.875 inches. The 361/391 engines have a bore of 4.05 inches. Note ND's comment that the 330 bits do not directly swap if you find a 361/391 block.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 11:54 AM
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I appreciate everyone's advice here. I'm a little apprehensive buying a short block that far from me as I might just end up in the same place again. I'd like to find a running complete engine that I can put in. The truck isn't worth too much, but we've dropped a pretty penny in other parts and then the whole engine thing again, that we're on that brink on whether to fix the engine or just cut bait. I'm just not that schooled on these engines, so any and all advice is appreciated.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSabre

Be careful if you look for an FT short block. The one referenced in KULTULZ's post says it works for 330/361/391 engines. The 330 has a bore of 3.875 inches. The 361/391 engines have a bore of 4.05 inches.

Note ND's comment that the 330 bits do not directly swap if you find a 361/391 block.
Correct, but I was a$$-u-me(ing) that the OP would read the complete ad-

To Wit-

Ford 361 FT (D3TE) short block.

It came out of Ford powered bus. The FT engines were for heavy duty trucks and buses. This was a 2 bbl carb motor. It turns freely and cylinder walls are in good shape and have minimal ridge line. Included is what is in the first 4 pictures with exception of harmonic dampener, timing chain cover and front motor mount. These engines haven't changed much from 1964 to 1978. I'm unsure of the other aspects of the engine because I haven't pulled the oil pan off and didn't hear it run. I would recommend you go through it and have it checked.

I have other 330 361 391 Ford FT parts available (torque converter, flywheel, intake, heads, etc). Let me know what you are looking for.
Let,s face it, these engines being obsolete is a misnomer. You have to take what you can get. I am assuming.. ...the advertiser has either a yard and/or repair facility where he can gather all of this.

The OP has all ready been the JASPER route. It's either this or a re-power.

I wish I was younger as I would start my own parts business regarding FT and SD. Seems to be a demand for them.

OP- About where are you located?
 
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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 01:00 PM
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I'm from Western Indiana.

I did read the post and the ad, for what it's worth. That may be the best option going, I just don't know right now.

Again, I appreciate everyone's input here.

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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 01:46 PM
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Two options-

E-Bay will give the location of the seller and if not close, they will give you shipping rate. The purchase is guaranteed, read closely.

Local salvage yard. If they don't have it they can locate it.

Good Luck with it. I am surprised @ JASPER. Didn't use to be like that.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2017 | 01:59 PM
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I looked on car-part.com and these guys say they have a running 330 in a 1972 model HD truck. Asking $650. Windy Hill Auto Parts | Home This same place showed up the other day when a guy was looking for a part for a 262. They are in MN. Don't know how far that is from you.
Their stock number on car-part was J51584.
 

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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 06:33 PM
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Thanks for the tip! I'll check that out!!!
 
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Old Aug 2, 2017 | 11:25 AM
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I've ordered a used 391 with all the parts to make it fit in the hole my 330 was in. It should be here this week. Thanks Crop-Duster for the lead that got me to the place that I bought it from.

I'll report back, hopefully with good news, when we get it in the truck.
 
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Old Aug 2, 2017 | 11:59 AM
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Glad you found and engine. That 391 should pull that truck around pretty good. I had a 1974 F600 with a 361 in it. With 1000 gal. of water, 200gal of AV gas and a load of ag chemicals it was straining to keep 50 mph on the highway. But I must say it was the most reliable truck on the place, considering it was always overloaded and being driven by Neanderthals it just never broke.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2017 | 06:09 AM
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Good News!

We installed the 391 on Saturday. Took a little interchanging of parts from the 330 to it, but went in pretty well. Got it running, and had to rebuild the carburetor. That got finished yesterday and it runs pretty well.

A huge thanks to this forum for the help! It was here where I got the lead for the engine and your advice on what would and wouldn't fit was tremendous. Thanks so very much to all of you!
 
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