Pros and cons of 700-1000hp diesel build - daily driver - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums



Excursion - King of SUVs 2000 - 2005 Ford Excursion
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Pros and cons of 700-1000hp diesel build - daily driver

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 06-14-2017, 08:35 PM
youknowitdadio's Avatar
youknowitdadio youknowitdadio is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 128
youknowitdadio is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.youknowitdadio is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Pros and cons of 700-1000hp diesel build - daily driver

Was thinking of a 5.9 Cummins build hooked onto my 4r100 transmission in my 2000 Excursion V10 4x4. I am a horsepower nut though so want to build something outrageous like 1000hp. But then thought about how much that might cost compared to something less but still substantial. Maybe 700-800hp would do the trick for a daily driver and pulling a trailer around or boat every once and a while? I'm not planning on sled pulls or competitions, but may do a 1/4 mile here and there. So I know I would need to rebuild the trans to beef it up and a 6.0 cooler. Wondering what the axles are rated at for hp? And the 4wd gearbox?

From what I've found online so far, getting up past 700hp in the 7.3 takes a lot of effort $$. And the 6.0 I've read gets a little finicky with higher hp and parts failing. I met a guy with a 650hp 6.0 Excursion and he said he was getting nickel and dimed by $150 parts constantly. (met him at the Ford Parts counter in the dealership actually!) So that is why I am leaning towards the Cummins 5.9. I hear they are more reliable in the higher hp range.

I'm at the start of this project planning phase and will be showcasing it all on a youtube channel called BBQ & Bolts. (currently on Instagram and FB) 1000 hp sounds better for the show IMO More fun to drive too

At what point in horsepower for Excursion V10 chassis do you guys think one would need to start beefing up the transmission and axles? Whats the max before you start shredding things and getting unreliable? Whats the most cost effective maximum hp in an EX? I don't have too deep of pockets but will be doing mostly everything myself besides the destroked parts. And anything else I may be missing? Would love to hear about your high horsepower builds! 7.3's, 6.0's, 6.7's or Cummins projects!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-14-2017, 10:39 PM
hwybee22's Avatar
hwybee22 hwybee22 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Liberty, NC
Posts: 1,393
hwybee22 has a great reputation on FTE.hwybee22 has a great reputation on FTE.hwybee22 has a great reputation on FTE.hwybee22 has a great reputation on FTE.hwybee22 has a great reputation on FTE.
Can't wait to see the build.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-15-2017, 01:40 AM
Apocalypse's Avatar
Apocalypse Apocalypse is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Salem, VA
Posts: 8,132
Apocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputation
Pro: 700-1000hp diesel

Con: Literally everything else

Matt knows the struggle and is getting out!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-15-2017, 07:23 AM
Oldguyfl's Avatar
Oldguyfl Oldguyfl is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 1,015
Oldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud of
I am also building a cummins powered X. After a lot or research 450-500 hp can still be reliable on the street. There are some that can go to 750 as well. 1000 hp though would give you over 2000 lb ft of torque and be not streetable. Plus the transmission wont handle it for long, even built.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-15-2017, 11:25 AM
Twitchyleprechaun's Avatar
Twitchyleprechaun Twitchyleprechaun is offline
Not So Nice Leprechaun
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: All over, but mainly MD
Posts: 1,440
Twitchyleprechaun has a superb reputationTwitchyleprechaun has a superb reputationTwitchyleprechaun has a superb reputationTwitchyleprechaun has a superb reputationTwitchyleprechaun has a superb reputationTwitchyleprechaun has a superb reputationTwitchyleprechaun has a superb reputationTwitchyleprechaun has a superb reputationTwitchyleprechaun has a superb reputationTwitchyleprechaun has a superb reputationTwitchyleprechaun has a superb reputation
I am roughly 600hp and 1100lb.ft. 1/4 mile is high 13s. It has been almost 2 years since being on a dyno. Maybe I will make it sometime this summer.

I don't want to do anything else to the truck in fear of having to make more repairs.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-15-2017, 11:32 AM
Krazee Matt's Avatar
Krazee Matt Krazee Matt is online now
Leadfoot
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 3,578
Krazee Matt has a superb reputationKrazee Matt has a superb reputationKrazee Matt has a superb reputationKrazee Matt has a superb reputationKrazee Matt has a superb reputationKrazee Matt has a superb reputationKrazee Matt has a superb reputationKrazee Matt has a superb reputationKrazee Matt has a superb reputationKrazee Matt has a superb reputationKrazee Matt has a superb reputation
Same as Twitch, only with a 7.3 and a minuscule amount more power but less gears. It's the rest of the rig that starts becoming an issue, and unless you can tweak tunes via computer for say, a daily tune and a race tune, it's almost pointless going for that much in a daily IMO. In the end you'll have something that can keep up with a mildly modified Mustang... the weight is ridiculous on these things, so it takes absurd power to make them really hussle

Not saying don't go big, but that much HP and TQ isn't going to cooperate very well from a longevity standpoint. Plenty of high HP oil burners in Houston, and they rarely last longer than 3-4 weeks without something coming up. The ones in the 6-700hp range have substantially fewer problems, so if it were my build I'd shoot for that range. Trans will appreciate it as well, regardless of the build
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-15-2017, 12:39 PM
Oldguyfl's Avatar
Oldguyfl Oldguyfl is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 1,015
Oldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud of
You should look at a 03-07 5.9 and do a pump upgrade, valve springs, compound turbos, injectors, and exhaust. Its a standalone so it would work well. That way you can tune it as required. Once you get to around 500 hp or 35 psi you are going to have to fire ring it as well. I see these getting 700-1000 hp with enough air. Probably going to spend 10-12K, plus the trans, adapters, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-15-2017, 01:22 PM
wizkid00104's Avatar
wizkid00104 wizkid00104 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 2,493
wizkid00104 has a great reputation on FTE.wizkid00104 has a great reputation on FTE.wizkid00104 has a great reputation on FTE.wizkid00104 has a great reputation on FTE.wizkid00104 has a great reputation on FTE.wizkid00104 has a great reputation on FTE.
I'll watch
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-15-2017, 01:49 PM
LivingLarge's Avatar
LivingLarge LivingLarge is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 26,206
LivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by wizkid00104 View Post
I'll watch
I'll make the popcorn
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-15-2017, 07:19 PM
youknowitdadio's Avatar
youknowitdadio youknowitdadio is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 128
youknowitdadio is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.youknowitdadio is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldguyfl View Post
You should look at a 03-07 5.9 and do a pump upgrade, valve springs, compound turbos, injectors, and exhaust. Its a standalone so it would work well. That way you can tune it as required. Once you get to around 500 hp or 35 psi you are going to have to fire ring it as well. I see these getting 700-1000 hp with enough air. Probably going to spend 10-12K, plus the trans, adapters, etc.
You think the bottom half of that engine would take 700hp?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-15-2017, 07:34 PM
Apocalypse's Avatar
Apocalypse Apocalypse is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Salem, VA
Posts: 8,132
Apocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by LivingLarge View Post
I'll make the popcorn
Scoot over, I want some of that
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-15-2017, 07:44 PM
LivingLarge's Avatar
LivingLarge LivingLarge is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 26,206
LivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputationLivingLarge has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
Scoot over, I want some of that
Apoc, this thread is not for you lots of diesel talk going on here
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-15-2017, 07:44 PM
Oldguyfl's Avatar
Oldguyfl Oldguyfl is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 1,015
Oldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud ofOldguyfl has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by youknowitdadio View Post
You think the bottom half of that engine would take 700hp?
That won't be a problem, though I might add a girdle and some arp studs, top and bottom throughout
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-15-2017, 07:52 PM
Apocalypse's Avatar
Apocalypse Apocalypse is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Salem, VA
Posts: 8,132
Apocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputationApocalypse has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by LivingLarge View Post
Apoc, this thread is not for you lots of diesel talk going on here
True, and I'll never have a diesel Excursion
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-15-2017, 08:09 PM
youknowitdadio's Avatar
youknowitdadio youknowitdadio is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 128
youknowitdadio is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.youknowitdadio is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
True, and I'll never have a diesel Excursion
I figure most would pay $15-20k for a diesel Excursion at least on the West Coast where I'm at (no rust). Instead buy a really good shape V10 drive it while you save. Then stick about 10-15k in the engine and have a BEAST. Same amount of money with all the fun work.
Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Best 99-04 parts for a 12 valve swap? snuggletough General Diesel Discussion 3 11-08-2017 03:20 PM
Clifford's Big Red Build Thread EXSwap Excursion - King of SUVs 25 10-24-2017 09:08 AM
What is the best 460 block to rebuild to get 400-450HP for an around town driver? Justin Braun 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 2 01-03-2017 07:54 PM
6.4 truck swap to a navistar inline 6 dt360 - project parkland General Diesel Discussion 140 09-24-2016 01:47 PM
04 F250 (6.0 automatic 4x4) swap to 6.7 cummins with G56 trans. Steven Leisenring Projects 2 02-08-2016 04:48 PM


Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums >

Tags
1000hp, 2000, 4x4, 5.9l, cummins, daily driver, diesel, excursion, performance

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:06 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.