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No, the "hellwig" is a sway bar used to reduce body roll and or increase /decrease understeer or oversteer.
The " landyot" is a leaf spring anti wrap device.
A stock ride height Ex doesn't need either a landyot or rear bar.
While I agree that a stock EX doesn't NEED a rear sway bar, my stock EX felt much, much more stable both at highway speed while changing lanes or on highway entry/exit ramps (clover leafs) and when running around on our local country-ish twisty turny hilly roads. The reduction in body roll was a very welcome benefit from the Hellwig, it more than offsets the low speed extra side to side movement when entering/exiting driveway and parking lot ramps.
While I agree that a stock EX doesn't NEED a rear sway bar, my stock EX felt much, much more stable both at highway speed while changing lanes or on highway entry/exit ramps (clover leafs) and when running around on our local country-ish twisty turny hilly roads. The reduction in body roll was a very welcome benefit from the Hellwig, it more than offsets the low speed extra side to side movement when entering/exiting driveway and parking lot ramps.
Id argue that an alignment including more positive caster and a set of shocks with more compression would have netted a better result. But hey, this is why people race cars to go prove ideas.
Just sayin I have almost always achieved better handeling vehicles by tunning them rather then bolting on more widgets.
A stock Excursion doesn't NEED V/B springs either, it just greatly benefits from them. Same with the rear sway bar IMO. Both upgrades were a step in the right direction toward a much better handling vehicle in my experience.
Very nice! Is that stock? I want the benifits of the VB. From what I hear it really helps. I'm really trying to convince my wife for a 4" lift lol!!!
Originally Posted by andym
A stock Excursion doesn't NEED V/B springs either, it just greatly benefits from them. Same with the rear sway bar IMO. Both upgrades were a step in the right direction toward a much better handling vehicle in my experience.
A stock Excursion doesn't NEED V/B springs either, it just greatly benefits from them. Same with the rear sway bar IMO. Both upgrades were a step in the right direction toward a much better handling vehicle in my experience.
Have I mentioned how much I like my suspension?
Did the v/b mods give you any lift? ATS springs or other? Thanks, RG
Did the v/b mods give you any lift? ATS springs or other? Thanks, RG
A little bit. About 1.5" in the front, 2" or a little more in the rear. I got lucky and found a set of OEM springs on craigslist that a guy was selling because he lifted his truck. If I didn't find original springs, I would have gone the ATS route.
While I agree that a stock EX doesn't NEED a rear sway bar, my stock EX felt much, much more stable both at highway speed while changing lanes or on highway entry/exit ramps (clover leafs) and when running around on our local country-ish twisty turny hilly roads. The reduction in body roll was a very welcome benefit from the Hellwig, it more than offsets the low speed extra side to side movement when entering/exiting driveway and parking lot ramps.
Originally Posted by pirate4x4_camo
Id argue that an alignment including more positive caster and a set of shocks with more compression would have netted a better result. But hey, this is why people race cars to go prove ideas.
Just sayin I have almost always achieved better handeling vehicles by tunning them rather then bolting on more widgets.
I agree doing both helps. I have an import car that I track and I have both front and rear sway bars and positive caster and good shocks. With both front and rear digital alignments. Let me say the car feels amazing that way!
Tom, I see you have X spring instead of V. Can you tell me why you went that route?
I agree doing both helps. I have an import car that I track and I have both front and rear sway bars and positive caster and good shocks. With both front and rear digital alignments. Let me say the car feels amazing that way!
Tom, I see you have X spring instead of V. Can you tell me why you went that route?
I suppose if I was track racing the Excursion I would want to get rid of the understeer also but on a highway cruiser most folks prefer understeer. Point being, people emulating track setups on the street is exactly the type of money see monkey do engineering that got us to the point that everybody thinks a sway bar fixes the Ex handeling quirks.
From the stock truck to my suspension improvements from most to least improvement.
Red Head steering box ( OEM was worn out)
20" wheels with 275x65-R20 tires
Helwig Rear sway bar
RAS
Bilstein rear shocks
V code, modified B code springs
dual front bilstein shocks
dual steering stabilizers
I tow a lot... and generally nothing less then 7K and up to 14K. In non towing situations rides OK and handles great. Tire pressure affects the ride a lot.
If I didn't tow no RAS or dual steering stabilizers
Well, I really dislike body roll, and that was the only reason I've ever added a rear sway bar to my Ex.
Back in '05 I did the springs and shocks to combat the wander. I just wish I would have known about the 5* of castor back then.
Stewart
When you changed the ride height you changed the roll center and the center of gravity, I suspect you also changed your spring rates at which point I guess throwing a bar into the hot mess just seemed like a good idea
...throwing a bar into the hot mess just seemed like a good idea
That's always been my outlook though, LOL! I've always hated body roll and have always had the suspensions of my vehicles upgraded. From the Mazda B2200 Sundowner Sport (basically Mazda's rebadged Ford Courier) to my Cougar to my Crown Vic to my 5.0 to my Lightning to my 2-wheel drive F250 to my Ex to my current F250.
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. I see you have the V/B and it seems to be the main one everyone goes with. 
