FT oil pump on FE?
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FT oil pump on FE?
FE 390 build. I was going to order a 1/4" billet driveshaft from Precision Oil to strengthen the oil pump shaft. As I am looking at their FE oil products, I see a billet driveshaft that is 5/16" on the pump side and 1/4" on the distributor end, that their site claims allows me to use the larger volume FT pump on my FE block. (POP-57SBD) Is this a legitimate consideration? Is the FT pump better than/equal to the Melling M57HV, but with a driveshaft upgrade? (the build is torque cam, 350-375 hp, going into mid-70's F250 4X4 tower/hauler)
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Standard FE oil pump is plenty, and standard drive is fine also.
Nowhere will you find a thread here with oil drive or stock oil pump volume problems. A mild, newly rebuilt engine does not need a high volume pump.
Nowhere will you find a thread here with oil drive or stock oil pump volume problems. A mild, newly rebuilt engine does not need a high volume pump.
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The 5/16 pump drive shaft is cheap and just adds a little insurance. Been running ing one now since 2008.
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There is such thing as 'too much of a good thing' when it comes to high volume oil pumps...... Do some 'googling' and searching on this forum, my opinion is this.... Unless your build is such that it can take advantage of the HV oil flow and your willing to make some block modifications to accommodate the other factors that come into play with the HV pump, then don't tempt fate.... 
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The reason that FT engines had a higher capacity oil pump is because a lot of the bigger trucks came equipped with an oil cooled air compressor for the air brakes. The bigger 5/16" shaft was needed because of higher torque load on the shaft to drive the larger volume of oil (thicker rotor). Ford never made a high volume oil pump for the FE the high performance engines all received a high pressure pump.
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Thanks, everyone, for the input. I have decided to follow the list of oil modifications in this forum's FAQ, using the Melling M57HV FE pump with the hardened driveshaft. If the oil pickup screen is in good shape, and I keep the oil clean, the chances of debris getting into my pump and jamming the pump or shaft is about the same as lightning hitting me and my truck and creating a fireball that flames across the PNW skyline. I can live with that. The cost:benefit pencils out. Onward, to the rest of the rebuild. Kirt
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M57HV is the worst oil pump you could put in a FE.
Here's a brake down on FE-FT oil pumps.
M57 = 1/4" drive stock FE, standard volume
M57B = 1/4" drive special performance, police and CJ,
M57HV = 1/4" drive high volume pump with 25% more volume
M57HP = 1/4 drive high pressure pump used in 406-427.
M57A = 5/16 drive stock FT pump
M57AHV = 5/15 drive FT pump with 25% more volume
I suspect the M57B and M57A to have equal % of volume or pressure over stock M57 but Ford didn't make step up or step down oil pump drives in order to interchange FE and FT pumps there forth two different pumps.
No Ford performance engine that would need more oil than stock ever came with a HV oil pump..
If you want a little more oil pump than stock, get a M57B and use a standard 1/4" pump drive.
Here's a brake down on FE-FT oil pumps.
M57 = 1/4" drive stock FE, standard volume
M57B = 1/4" drive special performance, police and CJ,
M57HV = 1/4" drive high volume pump with 25% more volume
M57HP = 1/4 drive high pressure pump used in 406-427.
M57A = 5/16 drive stock FT pump
M57AHV = 5/15 drive FT pump with 25% more volume
I suspect the M57B and M57A to have equal % of volume or pressure over stock M57 but Ford didn't make step up or step down oil pump drives in order to interchange FE and FT pumps there forth two different pumps.
No Ford performance engine that would need more oil than stock ever came with a HV oil pump..
If you want a little more oil pump than stock, get a M57B and use a standard 1/4" pump drive.
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Boss 302, 428CJ, 429CJ, FT truck engines, police engines and some special performance engines came with oil pumps producing around 10% more volume and most of them had non standard oil pans.
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Actually the only difference between the standard Ford FE oil pump and the one used on the high performance engines was the pressure spring everything else is the same. It uses a stiffer spring to increase the pressure by ~20psi so it is commonly referred to as a "high pressure" pump. It was used on the 406, 427, 428CJ and 428SCJ. Every other FE (including PI's) used the std FE pump.
Boss 302, 428CJ, 429CJ, FT truck engines, police engines and some special performance engines came with oil pumps producing around 10% more volume and most of them had non standard oil pans.
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Actually the only difference between the standard Ford FE oil pump and the one used on the high performance engines was the pressure spring everything else is the same. It uses a stiffer spring to increase the pressure by ~20psi so it is commonly referred to as a "high pressure" pump. It was used on the 406, 427, 428CJ and 428SCJ. Every other FE (including PI's) used the std FE pump.
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I'm no sure about the exact specs on the factory pumps as I always replaced them with Melling's pumps.
I do know that the M57B is not the same was the M57HP pump, I had one in a 428CJ engine that would peg a 100 psi gauge. Relief valve on a M57B is around 72 psi, M57 is 60 psi
I'll be getting a M57B soon and check it against a M57 to see if there's any difference in volume output.
I do know that the M57B is not the same was the M57HP pump, I had one in a 428CJ engine that would peg a 100 psi gauge. Relief valve on a M57B is around 72 psi, M57 is 60 psi
I'll be getting a M57B soon and check it against a M57 to see if there's any difference in volume output.
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Cheap insurance against FE oil starvation is to use 6 quarts and a windage tray. The next step up in cost is to get a pan with internal baffles to keep the pump pick-up wet. JMHO
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Took a trip down memory lane this evening after digging out my old Ford Hi-Per Parts Catalog and found some interesting info.
These are Fords words, not mine.
428 CJ oil pump # C0AE-6600-C is the heavy-duty type used in the 428 Police Intercepter engine and is geared for high output and is recommended for most applications.
427 oil pump # C3AZ-6600-B, this high output pump is the standard production pump found on all 427 cubic inch high performance engines. It has sufficient capacity to pump 22 gpm with 70-80 psi at 4000 rpm
I've had this book for years and didn't realize it gave the gpm rating for a oil pump. I guess I was always busy drooling over the parts list that showed all of the high performance heads, intakes, cams and other parts for FE engines.
FYI it also has the price list in the back. This will give a idea how old the book is.
C6AZ-9424-H = aluminum high rise intake $92.75
C8AX-6049-A = 427 Tunnel Port Head $181.00 each
C5AF-9510-BU = 780 cfm Holley Carb $60.00
C6AE-6007-359J = 427 SOHC engine with 8V induction $2350.00:
Wish I could go back it time with a couple fist full of cash.
These are Fords words, not mine.
428 CJ oil pump # C0AE-6600-C is the heavy-duty type used in the 428 Police Intercepter engine and is geared for high output and is recommended for most applications.
427 oil pump # C3AZ-6600-B, this high output pump is the standard production pump found on all 427 cubic inch high performance engines. It has sufficient capacity to pump 22 gpm with 70-80 psi at 4000 rpm
I've had this book for years and didn't realize it gave the gpm rating for a oil pump. I guess I was always busy drooling over the parts list that showed all of the high performance heads, intakes, cams and other parts for FE engines.
FYI it also has the price list in the back. This will give a idea how old the book is.
C6AZ-9424-H = aluminum high rise intake $92.75
C8AX-6049-A = 427 Tunnel Port Head $181.00 each
C5AF-9510-BU = 780 cfm Holley Carb $60.00
C6AE-6007-359J = 427 SOHC engine with 8V induction $2350.00:
Wish I could go back it time with a couple fist full of cash.
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From: Monroe, WA
Took a trip down memory lane this evening after digging out my old Ford Hi-Per Parts Catalog and found some interesting info.
These are Fords words, not mine.
428 CJ oil pump # C0AE-6600-C is the heavy-duty type used in the 428 Police Intercepter engine and is geared for high output and is recommended for most applications.
427 oil pump # C3AZ-6600-B, this high output pump is the standard production pump found on all 427 cubic inch high performance engines. It has sufficient capacity to pump 22 gpm with 70-80 psi at 4000 rpm
I've had this book for years and didn't realize it gave the gpm rating for a oil pump. I guess I was always busy drooling over the parts list that showed all of the high performance heads, intakes, cams and other parts for FE engines.
FYI it also has the price list in the back. This will give a idea how old the book is.
C6AZ-9424-H = aluminum high rise intake $92.75
C8AX-6049-A = 427 Tunnel Port Head $181.00 each
C5AF-9510-BU = 780 cfm Holley Carb $60.00
C6AE-6007-359J = 427 SOHC engine with 8V induction $2350.00:
Wish I could go back it time with a couple fist full of cash.
These are Fords words, not mine.
428 CJ oil pump # C0AE-6600-C is the heavy-duty type used in the 428 Police Intercepter engine and is geared for high output and is recommended for most applications.
427 oil pump # C3AZ-6600-B, this high output pump is the standard production pump found on all 427 cubic inch high performance engines. It has sufficient capacity to pump 22 gpm with 70-80 psi at 4000 rpm
I've had this book for years and didn't realize it gave the gpm rating for a oil pump. I guess I was always busy drooling over the parts list that showed all of the high performance heads, intakes, cams and other parts for FE engines.
FYI it also has the price list in the back. This will give a idea how old the book is.
C6AZ-9424-H = aluminum high rise intake $92.75
C8AX-6049-A = 427 Tunnel Port Head $181.00 each
C5AF-9510-BU = 780 cfm Holley Carb $60.00
C6AE-6007-359J = 427 SOHC engine with 8V induction $2350.00:
Wish I could go back it time with a couple fist full of cash.