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I would tend to agree with greaystreak, i like my TTB and i havent had may problems with alignment, and if i do i blame it more on the weird *** steering linkage ford made. as for ride mine rides quite nice after the lift, i would have to say that was shocks.
the ifs is purely to give a "car-like ride" (i mean how many times have i got to listen to thats BS)
dude i want a truck i have a truck/s (and not a car/sport-truck)
as far as a 2 wheel drive sure give me a twin beam
like the 50s truck those are 2wd rigs swappin in a pinto or mustang II ifs type set up to my knolege
well if your idea of a 4x4/off-road outing is parking on the lawn or driving on snowy roads the ifs isn't a problem
on the other hand if ya wanna play a nice set of guesetted solid axles are aweful hard to break....lol
I don't know, but When I was driving my 83 bronco, I had a solid D44 sittin in my dad's shop ready for me to rebuild. So I tried my very best when I went wheelin out at my uncles place to desroy that TTB so that I would have the excuse to swap in the solid axle. I would fly off hill at 40 and land botting out every time and completely abuse the drive train that best I could. Now the thing sittes at my dad's shop with a bent radias arm due to the monster trucking over a sunfire at 55MPH. The crazy b@st@rd pulled right in front of me.
I think those TTBs hold there own to solids.
Laterz
I broke my TTB while being pulled off a trail. I slipped off into a rut, and the left front wheel was free wheeling. I got pulled out and bent the right front I-beam in the process.
Why does this arguement continue to perpetuate itself? The simple truth is, that the TTB was/is the stock configuration and it works! If you don't like it and feel the need to dismember the truck to make it your own, then no one is stopping you. Those of us who appreciate the TTB for what it is and accept the fact that NO, it probably won't withstand hard-core rock crawling for very long compared to a solid axle, are very happy that it is quite capable and very satisfied that Ford went to the trouble to try to improve the ride quality of their full sized trucks by putting the system under the front of ALL of the half ton versions and at least a few of the three-quarter ton versions. NO ONE will admit that there is a "car-like" ride to ANY Bronco. Rather contradictory to the very name, don't you think? At any rate, if alignment is a major issue for some, perhaps they should consider doing the necessary maintenance on their truck to keep all the bushings and pivot components in good working order. Of the two TTB Bronco's that I have owned, I had an alignment "issue" ONCE and well gee, I had four bad ball joints....if I recall correctly that has an adverse effect on ANY front end suspension configuration that utilizes such components. Not that I expect this argument to EVER see an end but, the idea of insisting that the TTB must be inferior just because it improves the ride and handling and its a bit more complicated has always sounded and WILL always sound like a cop-out.
Another such component that suffered no end of arguement was the venerable Rochester Quadrajet carburator. It was different and required a different technique to adjust and tune than many carburators at the time. So, it was deemed inferior and dubbed the Quadra-junk by many who refused to accept that they just weren't ready to deal with something that worked well as long as the operator was willing to improve their own learning curve.
I'll always dust off my soapbox for this one. It boils down to the fact that Ford thought it was worth the effort....so much so that they kept it and warranted it under these trucks for 16 years! We are all admittedly Ford enthusiasts, else why would we be here? I think we can all agree that there are far more egregious errors made in judgement by the Blue Oval than the TTB front end.
I don't think anyone is saying the TTB isn't any good on the road.
What people are saying is that while a TTB isn't as strong as a solid axle, and may have the occaisional alignment issue, it has far better road manners than a solid front axle.
It's a trade off. You either get one set of pros and cons, or another.
I think the idea is that if you beat your truck so hard that the TTB isn't strong enough for you, then you shouldn't own a half ton truck to begin with. Go get a stronger truck that has (surprise!) a solid front axle.
I believe that the bronco is a plenty strong truck but my TTB is certainly very far from a smooth IFS ride when lifted 6" and equipped with 35's. i just wish i could smooth it out without losing handling/cornering. maybe mines just especially rough because of all the relatively new polyurethane.
as far as alignment goes i have a superunner steering kit and the adjustable camber caster sleeves. since i put the lift on, my first pair of (35") tires lasted a good year and a half getting aligned maybe two times. i just spent $1200 on tires, free rotating, mounting, balancing, and a warranty. i hope, even with a lot of driving, that thisa time around the tires last at least 2 yrs. But im not getting that vibe from the tires which already started to feather a little on the front two (TTB!) before the first 3000 mi. rotation. I dont know. Maybe its just asking too much of a 90s ford to make its tires last a reasonable amount of time .
it all comes down to money. none of this would be a problem if i had enough money to fork out a grand for tires every 1.5 yrs. but then id also have a 351w with MAF in my bronco too.
ok a will repreive ever so slightly
the tb is good but i wish to have a truck that IMO will take more abuse when i dish it
the factory never made a 1 ton bronco so that is not a option
oh don't we know that ford screwed up a good many things like using a mazda or yamaha engine instead of cosworths like the rest of the world..yell you know the rest just add them here>
if all the old trucks were gone i would still buy a ford i wouldn't be happy ..its a lesser of 3 evils(new 1s) ..ya know
as for the Q-jet (if i could remember the source)
well a off road mag did a test on the same motor, in the they tested the q-jet, proformer and a holley(with over flow tubes i think) and...
the Q-jet proformed at a steeper angle with out bogging
and on the rocks it idled down to 300 rpm
the off the line times were quicker with a holley
the proformer was tuned right out of the box (just set the idle speed slightly
but anyway
Last edited by battered_bronco; Oct 11, 2003 at 01:20 AM.
I have a rather large black bronco and this thing has a front ttb I love this front end and use it often off-road. It is very strong Trust me Ive put it through the paces with the best of them. Granted I did a few little mods cheap ones like fully boxing the right traction beam which prevents camber changes during lots of abuse and putting small tack welds on all of the brackets where they connect to the frame this makes sure that things dont come loose over time. Oh and I almost forgot that the ride is great. Those who dought this front end ability are surely ignorant. 4-wheeler magazine states that this is the strongest IFS ever built!!! I believe So do a bunch of my friends who have jumped and heavily abused them on rangers and full size trucks. They are and always will be ford tough!
P.S. A recent article in the off-road adventures Magazine has an axle spotters guide this guide states that the dana 44 TTB has the same strengths and weaknesses as the solid axle dana 44 dont believe it look for yourself this artilcle came out about a couple of months ago look it up online. www.offroadadventures.com
Last edited by adamk1974; Oct 12, 2003 at 04:54 AM.
P.S.S Want a soft ride on your TTB axle go with skyjacker nice balance of control and ride comfort try to stay sway from superlift except EZ-ride versions they ride real stiff.
Also I heard someone complaining of poor tire wearing issues make sure to stay away from certain tires.
I know of one in paticular the BF Goodrich all-terrain. This tire seems to cup on most trucks out their after only a minimal amount of miles, not sure why... Although its fantastic in some ways SNOW, SAND, ICE killer traction!
Last edited by adamk1974; Oct 12, 2003 at 05:10 AM.
really the only smooth and strong ride I have ever found is in a hover craft.................
every suspension set-up holds its own.....and is only that.......a suspension........it only dampens the ride...........
you can do anything that you want to them but they still do the same things............
if you want the really hard core rock crawling than yes I think that solid is the way to go but for anything else I like IFS.......I do alot of travling with my 81 Bronco and I love the IFS setup ...........
I just got back from a mud run and I spun the slip joint in the axel.....from being weak........no I think it is just from wear......IT is a 81 here and most of us have the older trucks that we beat on once and a whylle.........suck it up and live with the fact that you want to play with your truck............you will also have to pay for the damages.....................
if you really want something strong and smooth.................
for strong ......... go with a tank undercaradge .........
you might get through anything but I bet you I will have more fun bouncing around in my Bronco with IFS
for smooth than go with a hovercraft and mount a bronco on the top of it and drive that
but in the mud I will have more satisfaction the next day having to spend 4 or 5 hours clogging the touns drains with the mud I picked up whyle I was up to the door windows in the last pit........
But you can do what ever you want...................
After 215,000 miles, my TTB was shot, and I did a SAS on my 94F150. I don't desert race or rockcrawl. Now I have an easily-aligned solid-axle truck that handles perfect, and works great for messin' around in the mud on sunday. The SAS was the best mod I've done yet.
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