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It would be nice if the LFP batteries would come down to say, $199 for 150 a/h.
All I would need is one hour at that price... Is that too much to ask for...

Maybe if Tesla cars keep catching fire the batteries will come down in price.
 
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Come on now it only hurts when writing the check.

The payoff from the battery's is sweeeet.
 
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I have a large residential SxS that runs off a Xantrex inverter. It's 14 years old. To me the big question is whether you boondocks much. If you do, you must have a generator or 500 or so watts of solar and generally 4 batteries. I've set up an extra charging wire to my batteries from my trucks alternator. The 6 gauge wire sends sufficient amps to charge my battery bank while driving. With my setup the frig will run around 24 hours without needing to fire up the generator. Because of our camping habits we very much appreciate the extra space our SxS affords. It's twice as roomy as even the SxS gas/electrics that are absorption. Because we are set up for it, we much prefer the residential.
 
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In the past I have had the tri-power units and liked them a lot. Then, for some reason, manufacturers dropped the 12 volt capability of the refrigerators. I still prefer an absorption refrigerator over a condenser type simply because of the noise. Also, absorption types have the heat vented outside, while compressor types blow their waste heat back into the living space.
The refrigerator on my boat is 12v or 110v - I've always wondered why camper types retained the propane rather than the 12v choice.
 
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Propane is a lot more dangerous on a boat - RV's don't have the propane build up in the bilge problem.

The 12v really has the same problem as the residential - you use a heck of a lot of power. My absorption dometic fridge pulls heater element pulls....7amps @ 120v? So to get a similar heat output on 12V - your looking at nearly 70amps @12v DC! - Granted not continuous, but that will destroy a battery set - just like a residential fridge will through an inverter. for RVs propane makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons.......
 
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Originally Posted by IMASAP
It would be nice if the LFP batteries would come down to say, $199 for 150 a/h.
And also keep in mind, if you install expensive hi amp/hour batteries, you better seriously consider upgrading your build in charger as the cheap crap they install in trailers will eventually wreck them.
 
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Originally Posted by mrgrayaz
Propane is a lot more dangerous on a boat - RV's don't have the propane build up in the bilge problem.

The 12v really has the same problem as the residential - you use a heck of a lot of power. My absorption dometic fridge pulls heater element pulls....7amps @ 120v? So to get a similar heat output on 12V - your looking at nearly 70amps @12v DC! - Granted not continuous, but that will destroy a battery set - just like a residential fridge will through an inverter. for RVs propane makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons.......

Agreed. I can run for days with minimal propane consumption.
 
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Originally Posted by mrgrayaz
Propane is a lot more dangerous on a boat - RV's don't have the propane build up in the bilge problem.

The 12v really has the same problem as the residential - you use a heck of a lot of power. My absorption dometic fridge pulls heater element pulls....7amps @ 120v? So to get a similar heat output on 12V - your looking at nearly 70amps @12v DC! - Granted not continuous, but that will destroy a battery set - just like a residential fridge will through an inverter. for RVs propane makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons.......
What model Dometic is drawing that amperage through the element?
 
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Originally Posted by mrgrayaz
Propane is a lot more dangerous on a boat - RV's don't have the propane build up in the bilge problem.

The 12v really has the same problem as the residential - you use a heck of a lot of power. My absorption dometic fridge pulls heater element pulls....7amps @ 120v? So to get a similar heat output on 12V - your looking at nearly 70amps @12v DC! - Granted not continuous, but that will destroy a battery set - just like a residential fridge will through an inverter. for RVs propane makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons.......
Maybe you fridge is pretty efficient but from my real world experience with a Norcold 821 when I switch to 12v it consumes 27 amps while it's working (that's read from solar display monitor).

Running a residential fridge really won't destroy your inverter as long as you get a quality inverter. I'm running Magnum 3012H and it has not been turned off in a year so far and it runs my entire rv and I live off grid the same as if I was plugged in to shore power.

As far as propane goes I can get a 30# bottle to last 19 days using it to run the fridge for at least 18+ hours, heat my 10 gallon water tank turning it on twice a day plus misc. stove top/ oven cooking.

This is going the past 83 days with no shore power hook ups. Just solar and using the small generator less than a dozen times for maybe 1.5 hours each time as average.
 
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Old 03-24-2017, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by scraprat
Maybe you fridge is pretty efficient but from my real world experience with a Norcold 821 when I switch to 12v it consumes 27 amps while it's working (that's read from solar display monitor).

Running a residential fridge really won't destroy your inverter as long as you get a quality inverter. I'm running Magnum 3012 and it has not been turned off in a year so far and it runs my entire rv and I live off grid the same as if I was plugged in to shore power.

As far as propane goes I can get a 30# bottle to last 19 days using it to run the fridge for at least 18+ hours, heat my 10 gallon water tank turning it on twice a day plus misc. stove top/ oven cooking.

This is going the past 83 days with no shore power hook ups. Just solar and using the small generator less than a dozen times for maybe 1.5 hours each time as average.
Depending on the model, that amp draw or less is what I would expect to see on my meter.

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Originally Posted by REPO.
And also keep in mind, if you install expensive hi amp/hour batteries, you better seriously consider upgrading your build in charger as the cheap crap they install in trailers will eventually wreck them.
I would hope if a person is going to take the step towards LFMP battery they are going to do some serious home work when your going to drop $1200-$6000+ in batteries alone.
 
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We have a residential fridge and love it, they hold so much more. I have an inverter that we use when towing and since we don't boondock it works for us. My camper has 2 12 volt batteries.
 
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We have a residential fridge and love it, they hold so much more. I have an inverter that we use when towing and since we don't boondock it works for us. My camper has 2 12 volt batteries.
With those conditions the residential shines sounds like a plug and play item.
 
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Depending on the model, that amp draw or less is what I would expect to see on my meter.

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Yeah my comment was saying to get an equivalent BTU output 12v to 120v. Sounds like they run a less powerful element on the 12v side (which makes sense...) I would assume it runs far more?

27a@12v = ~320watts, verses 7a@120v ~800watts. being that these fridges work by adding heat...the less heat, the less cooling capacity.t

My absorption fridge temps change all over the place, we have a temp monitor hooked to it 24/7, 120v or Propane (and the fridge is working fine....nature of the beast) I can't imagine its very steady on 12v with such a little power consumption vs a residential which I would expect is steady as a rock.
 
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Originally Posted by mrgrayaz
Yeah my comment was saying to get an equivalent BTU output 12v to 120v. Sounds like they run a less powerful element on the 12v side (which makes sense...) I would assume it runs far more?

27a@12v = ~320watts, verses 7a@120v ~800watts. being that these fridges work by adding heat...the less heat, the less cooling capacity.t

My absorption fridge temps change all over the place, we have a temp monitor hooked to it 24/7, 120v or Propane (and the fridge is working fine....nature of the beast) I can't imagine its very steady on 12v with such a little power consumption vs a residential which I would expect is steady as a rock.
You don't have a 7 amp draw on the element on 120 VAC, you normally have a draw at the element of 2.7 amps to maybe 3.0. It is fused at 5 amps on the board and almost never blows.

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