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Old 02-05-2017, 12:27 PM
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The small tube on the right would go to the canister correct.

I don't nessessarily need to run a vapor can on my truck because I am running a crate motor but I'd rather just do it while in the build stage instead of adding after.
The tube to the right of the filler neck is the vent for filling gas, you need to make a vent line from there ( I use 1/2" EMT conduit) and tie that in to the top of the filler neck. That allows air in the tank to be pushed out while putting gas in. Without it the gas will spit back at you if you fill the tank too quickly. If you are running a large factory style open gas filler then you don't need it, but with a modern filler opening that is just big enough for the gas pump nozzle and a sealed cap then you would need it. This is the one from my truck #2 build

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I would drill and tap a 1/4 NPT hole near the top of the filler tube and run a rubber hose from there to the canister. You want it high so that gas cannot get into it when putting gas in and so gas cannot get into it from the tank. The gas station nozzle should go into the filler tube lower than the vent connections. If liquid gas gets in that line it will trash the canister, you only want gas fumes in it.
I am running modern sending units that already have the vent connection built in so I didnt need to add the extra vent line to my filler tube. Mine runs right from the tank (small 1/4" line in the picture). Ignore the 2nd fuel pump, that was a boost pump for the supercharger, my pump is inside the tank.

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Originally Posted by drptop70ss
The tube to the right of the filler neck is the vent for filling gas, you need to make a vent line from there ( I use 1/2" EMT conduit) and tie that in to the top of the filler neck. That allows air in the tank to be pushed out while putting gas in. Without it the gas will spit back at you if you fill the tank too quickly. If you are running a large factory style open gas filler then you don't need it, but with a modern filler opening that is just big enough for the gas pump nozzle and a sealed cap then you would need it. This is the one from my truck #2 build




I would drill and tap a 1/4 NPT hole near the top of the filler tube and run a rubber hose from there to the canister. You want it high so that gas cannot get into it when putting gas in and so gas cannot get into it from the tank. The gas station nozzle should go into the filler tube lower than the vent connections. If liquid gas gets in that line it will trash the canister, you only want gas fumes in it.
I am running modern sending units that already have the vent connection built in so I didnt need to add the extra vent line to my filler tube. Mine runs right from the tank (small 1/4" line in the picture). Ignore the 2nd fuel pump, that was a boost pump for the supercharger, my pump is inside the tank.

Thanks for clearing that vent tube up. I will have to add anothe vent tube to canister.

Can I add it to the same tube for filler vent? Then run 1/4 hose to canister and so on ?
 
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Can I do this?

 
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Can I do this?

Yes, that will work fine.
 
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I have this cap. They say it's vacuum vented so shouldnt breath out. Only in if needed?
I have the same cap [not off of a factory production car, sold by Hagan] on my 40 coupe with a vented Tanks gas tank. Never any fumes. My 53F100 does have a gas fume problem because I did not get the roll over vent high enough on the inner fender panel. In my plans to redo that soon. If I don't fill the tank over 3/4 I don't have the problem.
 
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Just make sure that when you mount the charcoal canister that it is not lower than the gas tank. We almost burned down Virginia City, NV years ago when a prototype Jeep mule caught on fire because of that during off-road testing.
 
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IMO based on the OEM stuff I copy the canister can be below the tank as long as the fumes are scavenged above the highest point of the fuel In the tank..my LT1 donor cars all have the canisters below the top of the gas tanks from the factory. Idea is to make sure raw gas cannot get in the canister.
The FI tanks I use have a "vapor dome" to trap fumes when the tank is full, and then if someone kept filling the tank the sending unit has a check valve of some sort on the vent line to keep raw fuel from going out the vent port. When I use an old style carb tank and sending unit I just pull the fumes from high on hhe filler neck and don't over fill the tank.
 
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IMO based on the OEM stuff I copy the canister can be below the tank as long as the fumes are scavenged above the highest point of the fuel In the tank..my LT1 donor cars all have the canisters below the top of the gas tanks from the factory. Idea is to make sure raw gas cannot get in the canister.
The FI tanks I use have a "vapor dome" to trap fumes when the tank is full, and then if someone kept filling the tank the sending unit has a check valve of some sort on the vent line to keep raw fuel from going out the vent port. When I use an old style carb tank and sending unit I just pull the fumes from high on hhe filler neck and don't over fill the tank.
Since the size of the vapor dome varies and it is a bit hard to judge, and if you are on a hill or off road you could still have a problem, if you use a tank vent and are not sure if your tank has a roll over check valve in the vent keep the canister high. But pulling the vapor off the filler neck is a better idea.
 
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Originally Posted by drptop70ss
Yes, that will work fine.
Got my canister. What are the two big ports at the top? Do they get hooked up or just stay like that? Small barb is purge and slightly bigger one is to vent tube?
 
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Got my canister. What are the two big ports at the top? Do they get hooked up or just stay like that? Small barb is purge and slightly bigger one is to vent tube?
Not sure, what is the OEM application? Are the ports labeled? All I have used are my GM ones which are pretty standard but I have no idea what port is what on that canister. If it is from a production car you need to find the EVAP schematic.
 
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Got my canister. What are the two big ports at the top? Do they get hooked up or just stay like that? Small barb is purge and slightly bigger one is to vent tube?


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Originally Posted by drptop70ss
Not sure, what is the OEM application? Are the ports labeled? All I have used are my GM ones which are pretty standard but I have no idea what port is what on that canister. If it is from a production car you need to find the EVAP schematic.
Says it fits a 1990 ford mustang
 
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Looks like the small nipple goes to the tank and the large nipple goes to the purge. Two big ports are vents, looks like they should have caps?

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Originally Posted by drptop70ss
Looks like the small nipple goes to the tank and the large nipple goes to the purge. Two big ports are vents, looks like they should have caps?

Thanks alot. I will have to find the caps. Or Jimmy rig some up
 
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Thanks alot. I will have to find the caps. Or Jimmy rig some up
Does the canister have to be mounted in the engine bay or can I do it on the beside behind the fender up high?
 


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