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Shell oil...
Got this in the mailbox this morning...
Introducing the next evolution of hardworking protection | Shell ROTELLA®
Introducing the next evolution of hardworking protection | Shell ROTELLA®
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Got this in the mailbox this morning...
Introducing the next evolution of hardworking protection | Shell ROTELLA®
Introducing the next evolution of hardworking protection | Shell ROTELLA®
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Even though the video focuses on the 6.7 if you pay attention right about 2 min in he says "all Ford diesel engines"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsZJ...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsZJ...ature=youtu.be
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They also have this on their site...
In order to meet goals for more fuel-efficient engines and fewer emissions, many next-generation engines will run at higher operating temperatures. This will require changes in engine oil composition, so they can withstand more heat without sacrificing engine protection.
It will also mean that instead of one category of engine oils, we’ll have two – CK-4 and FA-4. CK-4 engine oils will be a direct replacement for the engine oils you’re using now. You’ll be able to buy the same viscosity grades and oil types (conventional, full synthetic, synthetic blend) you’re using now, and they’ll be “backwards compatible” to ALL current vehicles. They’ll just also conform to the new PC-11 standards.
The new FA-4 engine oils will be offered in lower viscosity grades and are designed primarily for next-generation engines to help maximize fuel economy without sacrificing engine protection. These FA-4 oils may have limited backwards compatibility2 and would be labeled as such. Oil companies and OEMs are currently testing these products in a range of applications to demonstrate without sacrificing engine protection
In order to meet goals for more fuel-efficient engines and fewer emissions, many next-generation engines will run at higher operating temperatures. This will require changes in engine oil composition, so they can withstand more heat without sacrificing engine protection.
It will also mean that instead of one category of engine oils, we’ll have two – CK-4 and FA-4. CK-4 engine oils will be a direct replacement for the engine oils you’re using now. You’ll be able to buy the same viscosity grades and oil types (conventional, full synthetic, synthetic blend) you’re using now, and they’ll be “backwards compatible” to ALL current vehicles. They’ll just also conform to the new PC-11 standards.
The new FA-4 engine oils will be offered in lower viscosity grades and are designed primarily for next-generation engines to help maximize fuel economy without sacrificing engine protection. These FA-4 oils may have limited backwards compatibility2 and would be labeled as such. Oil companies and OEMs are currently testing these products in a range of applications to demonstrate without sacrificing engine protection
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And
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-fa4-oils.html
Although that does specifically mention the 6.7, it does also state Ford Diesels new OR old.
Now just to find where to get Motorcraft Superduty motor oil
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hmmm..if they were indeed selling ck4 in unmarked jugs that means Ive been running it since mid November and didn't even know it. I even purposely looked to make sure that it was marked cj4 and not ck4. Wish navistar would come out and say something regarding the use of ck4 in THEIR engines.
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https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubrican...ry=Motor%20Oil
Found a list of oils that meets the ford WSS-M2C171-F1. Under the list of 15w40 oils I don't see rotella t4 on there. I see t3 and t5 synthetic blend.
Found a list of oils that meets the ford WSS-M2C171-F1. Under the list of 15w40 oils I don't see rotella t4 on there. I see t3 and t5 synthetic blend.
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hmmm..if they were indeed selling ck4 in unmarked jugs that means Ive been running it since mid November and didn't even know it. I even purposely looked to make sure that it was marked cj4 and not ck4. Wish navistar would come out and say something regarding the use of ck4 in THEIR engines.
Argument could be made that it is CJ-4 because Rotella says the new stuff is backwards compatible and still meets CJ-4 specifications, but so far Ford does not agree.
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https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubrican...ry=Motor%20Oil
Found a list of oils that meets the ford WSS-M2C171-F1. Under the list of 15w40 oils I don't see rotella t4 on there. I see t3 and t5 synthetic blend.
Found a list of oils that meets the ford WSS-M2C171-F1. Under the list of 15w40 oils I don't see rotella t4 on there. I see t3 and t5 synthetic blend.
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Check this out...
Shell ROTELLA® T4 Triple Protection | Shell ROTELLA®
Scroll about halfway down that page. The 10w30 has fords recommendation while the 15w40 does not. Besides viscosity what's the difference between the two?
Shell ROTELLA® T4 Triple Protection | Shell ROTELLA®
Scroll about halfway down that page. The 10w30 has fords recommendation while the 15w40 does not. Besides viscosity what's the difference between the two?
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Not sure, maybe the Ford list is out of date, or incorrect. Maybe they went by the API donut which, on the new bottle design, did not get CK-4 printed on it even though it is CK-4 according to Rotella's web site. Next time you are at the parts store take a look, I know I will.
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Ya, they changed out the old bottles quick in the store months ago. I did the same thing and bought two oil changes worth thinking it was CJ4. I'm running it now, so I will change out at 5,000 miles and then run the valvoline premium blue synthetic 5w-40. It's comes on sale a lot at napa. I don't think it is crucial in the 7.3 vs the 6.7, but don't want to stress on it. Im not to concerned about running this oil for one change and I doubt any additional wear happened in such a short interval. It's all the phosphate and zinc levels. Do the zinc and phosphate additives work if guys ended buying bunch of the mislabeled jugs.
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I don't know anything about the additives, haven't heard of them. I have been wondering about Ford's decision on CK-4 though, if it doesn't offer the same level of protection why would it only affect Ford/Navistar engines? If what Ford engineers found is true it must not be as good for other engines as well.