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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 02:20 PM
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That DMax instrument cluster is possibly the ugliest I have ever seen.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by coolidge54
That DMax instrument cluster is possibly the ugliest I have ever seen.
Yeah, there's a lot about the dash that's in need of refreshing/redesign, but especially left of steering wheel. There's also a lot of "white space" on the dash that just looks awkward.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 06:32 AM
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I read a lot of post sin this thread talking about ford denying warranty coverage so I wanted to chime in. My dad has 2012 F250 KR 6.7. At 62,000 miles the fuel pump in the tank grenaded and contaminated the entire fuel system with metal shavings. He did not buy an extended warranty and was out of factory warranty at 60k. The technician diagnosed the truck and said the entire fuel system and all injectors needed to be replaced to the tune of 15k. But then he said that the truck had no evidence of water in the diesel and that my dad had always serviced his truck regularly at that dealer. He said it was not right that the fuel pump fell apart this early in the trucks life and that he would put in a special request to ford to cover the repair. They came back a day later and agreed to cover the entire cost of the repair. He had the truck back in 3 days with an entirely new fuel system from tank to injectors. Ford covered the entire repair. We where floored. The technician and ford went above and beyond for the customer. My dad is no one special, he did not buy a bunch of trucks or anything he is just a regular guy with a truck, and they had no incentive to do that for him. It was one of the major reasons I bought 2017 superduty. I will be buying a warranty. You just see so many posts about Ford service sucking that I thought I would post ourexperience of the opposite.
I try to tell folks that warranty coverage rests heavily on the servicing dealer and half of the horror stories are simply due to incompetence at the dealer level. A service writer or manager has the power to make a warranty claim go bad, all it takes is for one of them to be in a bad mood. Too few people stand up for what's right and back away from possible exposure when things get heated. Best way to describe it is "working scared". It's a disease born from micro management from above where all the people in the field are too scared to do anything that might draw attention.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by coolidge54
That DMax instrument cluster is possibly the ugliest I have ever seen.
The "instrument cluster" meaning just the 6 basic gauges and the LCD screen is not bad. It's actually extremely similar to the Ford cluster, particularly the 2011-2016 design. Two large main gauges (speed and tach) plus 4 smaller auxiliary gauges (volts, engine coolant temp, fuel level, oil pressure) and the 4.2" LCD message center. There is also an optional 8" re-configurable center display with digitally rendered gauges just like our Fords.

Personally, I really like having the boost gauge - GM does not offer this.

My biggest gripe with the entire GM dashboard is the offset steering wheel and the larger area to the left of the vent where they locate the trailer brake control, 4x4 control, and light switch. It just looks asymmetric and out of place.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 10:36 AM
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Bowtie,

The 250 has vac assist brakes; the DRW Fords have hydroboost brakes. The GM HD trucks all have hydroboost brakes, even the gas models. The F-450 Ford has larger brakes than all other Super Duty models lower than it in designation.
Thanks for the info, Troverman. That would explain the difference in the effort on the pedal to achieve the same results. You guys are the best!
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kry226
For those who haven't seen this, go to about 15:15 for the engineer chat about the new Duramax. Pretty interesting stuff and goes into what is "carry over" and what's new.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtXjEy5hkwA

Below is a new DMax cold starting at -10. I've heard a 2016 Cummins start better at -35. Haven't heard a new Powerstroke do that cold of a start. Any engine starting at -10 is a glorious thing, but compared to the Cummins, color me not that impressed with the DMax, in this instance at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xNgzlevn00

damn, that sounds like a cross between my 6.9 idi and a ford 6.0
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 12:56 PM
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I've started my old 2014 F250 at -5 degrees using the remote start. It started WAY better than that.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 06:06 PM
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Did anyone notice the oil pressure at 1:50 in that video? The needle was buried at 125 psi at 925 rpm. -10 or not, that kind of pressure could end up blowing seals, and that's with synthetic oil. Imagine if you revved it up a bit! My friend just traded in his 2015 GMC 3500 Duramax on a 2016 GMC 3500 Duramax due to oil leaks. The 2016 has the same problem. I think I know why now.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RJC2
Did anyone notice the oil pressure at 1:50 in that video? The needle was buried at 125 psi at 925 rpm. -10 or not, that kind of pressure could end up blowing seals, and that's with synthetic oil. Imagine if you revved it up a bit! My friend just traded in his 2015 GMC 3500 Duramax on a 2016 GMC 3500 Duramax due to oil leaks. The 2016 has the same problem. I think I know why now.
I'd say WRONG oil for that climate, not the fault of the truck.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 06:30 PM
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You may be right Don, but one would think that they would have oil pumps in them that wouldn't pump that kind of pressure, or at least a relief valve.


It is nice that their gauge isn't an idiot gauge like ours is. It saves Ford a lot of complaints though.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RJC2
You may be right Don, but one would think that they would have oil pumps in them that wouldn't pump that kind of pressure, or at least a relief valve.


It is nice that their gauge isn't an idiot gauge like ours is. It saves Ford a lot of complaints though.
RJ, My guess is the oil must have been like Blackstrap Molasses on a winter morning, heck it might have been...LOL
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 08:47 PM
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I'd say WRONG oil for that climate, not the fault of the truck.
My 2011 leaked oil. It was on the back of the motor they had to pull the trans to get to it. That was with only 30k miles on it.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 05:51 AM
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Here is a good look of the L5P.

https://sso.sourceinterlinkdigital.c...duramax-l5p%2F
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 06:16 AM
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That linked didn't work, but this should: A Peek Inside the Duramax L5P
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fordmantpw
That linked didn't work, but this should: A Peek Inside the Duramax L5P
The new Duramax is impressive. The connecting rods look very much like the Powerstroke design now, except I think they are thicker on the GM engine.

Locating the DOC on the back of the turbo is going to be very advantageous for emissions control and regen strategy. I'm curious - where does the regen "9th injector" go, or is this design now like the Ford and injects diesel into the cylinder on exhaust stroke?

The new turbo appears very impressive. By integrating the electronics into the turbo housing, I would think replacement cost would be much higher.

I really like the gear-drive water pump. If the accessory belt fails, you still have cooling. On the other hand, the water pump is integral to the engine. If the bearings fail and the vanes eat at the housing, coolant could mix with engine oil. That is why Ford made their pump(s) external.

Some things I don't like: the outboard exhaust manifold design seems archaic compared to the Ford reverse flow design (which they pirated from a GM concept). Why would you have the added plumbing length (lag, heat loss) and additional exhaust pipes in the way of access...when you could use the reversed flow method?

The lifters and pushrods and pushod guides. It is clear GM was looking to gain HP and revving speed by lightening these up. They look much weaker than the previous LML parts, and vastly weaker to the design on the Powerstroke. What is worse is the fact that this engine still uses valve bridges so one pushrod operates two valves...instead of Ford's design which runs 32 individual pushrods. Yes, GM's design is lighter and promotes faster revs...but will it be long-term durable?

Same thing with the camshaft. The lobe width is much smaller, which is possible because the lifter is smaller. Again, lighter weight, quick power.

The Denso fuel system looks pretty good. The pump is a triple eccentric design. The fuel pipes from the rails are all length-balanced and tightly packaged. Time will tell if it is reliable. The CP4 pump is a pretty mature product at this point.

Overall? I still think the Powerstroke is better.
 
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