Ford Dealer Fix ?
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Laughing Gas
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From: Pagosa Springs CO.
Ford Dealer Fix ?
I have a 2000 150 5.4 auto 4x4, have had intermittent crank no start for 2 1/2 months. No rhyme or reason ..yet. I use a mechanic that has basic computer technology. Replaced a few parts but to no avail, assuming this is an electrical issue as opposed to fuel or air [checked all that].
Gave up and took to the dealer. I told the service manager I didn't want i back until he finds the faulty part that way I would be pretty positive it was the problem.
All that being said ; at what point can/could the dealer say we can't fix it get it out of here ?
Needles to say, if it starts every time they try to start it [which it has for three days now] , they can't diagnose the problem.
Very frustrating
Gave up and took to the dealer. I told the service manager I didn't want i back until he finds the faulty part that way I would be pretty positive it was the problem.
All that being said ; at what point can/could the dealer say we can't fix it get it out of here ?
Needles to say, if it starts every time they try to start it [which it has for three days now] , they can't diagnose the problem.
Very frustrating
Lead Driver
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You have to give some info on how it acts when a no start condition exists except it doesn't start.
You have Pats, the ignition switch, relay seating, fuse seating, engine issue etc.
Some one has to do some checks when it happens to get a direction.
What does the Theft lamp do?
Is there fuel pressure?
Does the fuel pump run at key on for a few seconds?
Is there a cranking issue?
Some one has to get a start on this with a lead.
Guessing doesn't cut it.
Good luck.
You have Pats, the ignition switch, relay seating, fuse seating, engine issue etc.
Some one has to do some checks when it happens to get a direction.
What does the Theft lamp do?
Is there fuel pressure?
Does the fuel pump run at key on for a few seconds?
Is there a cranking issue?
Some one has to get a start on this with a lead.
Guessing doesn't cut it.
Good luck.
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Laughing Gas
Joined: Jun 2014
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From: Pagosa Springs CO.
You have to give some info on how it acts when a no start condition exists except it doesn't start.
You have Pats, the ignition switch, relay seating, fuse seating, engine issue etc.
Some one has to do some checks when it happens to get a direction.
What does the Theft lamp do?
Is there fuel pressure?
Does the fuel pump run at key on for a few seconds?
Is there a cranking issue?
Some one has to get a start on this with a lead.
Guessing doesn't cut it.
Good luck.
You have Pats, the ignition switch, relay seating, fuse seating, engine issue etc.
Some one has to do some checks when it happens to get a direction.
What does the Theft lamp do?
Is there fuel pressure?
Does the fuel pump run at key on for a few seconds?
Is there a cranking issue?
Some one has to get a start on this with a lead.
Guessing doesn't cut it.
Good luck.
Monday I was going to have it towed to the the dealership, before I called to tow , a friend and I checked one more time , checked one of the coil pack wires and cranked several times, nothing. Fourth time, fired up replaced the coil wire ran smooth. Drove it fifty miles to the dealer, it's been starting every time they try, but it may not at some point.
Ultimately my question was/is , until something fails.
I'm guessing, after a week or two, if it keeps starting they'll say come get it.
At that point someone is going to get a helluva deal.
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Laughing Gas
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From: Pagosa Springs CO.
Thanks for input guys..
Lead Driver
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It should have been an easy diagnosis.
The plug often gets greasy dirty and not make good contact and subject to vibration intermittent.
There is no code for this issue because it signals the PCM to begin reference for all that happens at cranking and running.
If no signal, the PCM has no way to know without any reference from the crank sensor with no 'other' inputs to point to it..
The PCM does not even know the crank is turning with an open crank sensor circuit.
It could have been established by making checks because there will be no spark, no fuel and should have been tested for to begin with.
All this angst for nothing.
I am not trying to be antagonistic but bring common sense for others from your experiences trusting a shop that should have known better long before this point..
Good to see you happy again and good luck.
The plug often gets greasy dirty and not make good contact and subject to vibration intermittent.
There is no code for this issue because it signals the PCM to begin reference for all that happens at cranking and running.
If no signal, the PCM has no way to know without any reference from the crank sensor with no 'other' inputs to point to it..
The PCM does not even know the crank is turning with an open crank sensor circuit.
It could have been established by making checks because there will be no spark, no fuel and should have been tested for to begin with.
All this angst for nothing.
I am not trying to be antagonistic but bring common sense for others from your experiences trusting a shop that should have known better long before this point..
Good to see you happy again and good luck.
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Laughing Gas
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From: Pagosa Springs CO.
It should have been an easy diagnosis.
The plug often gets greasy dirty and not make good contact and subject to vibration intermittent.
There is no code for this issue because it signals the PCM to begin reference for all that happens at cranking and running.
If no signal, the PCM has no way to know without any reference from the crank sensor with no 'other' inputs to point to it..
The PCM does not even know the crank is turning with an open crank sensor circuit.
It could have been established by making checks because there will be no spark, no fuel and should have been tested for to begin with.
All this angst for nothing.
I am not trying to be antagonistic but bring common sense for others from your experiences trusting a shop that should have known better long before this point..
Good to see you happy again and good luck.
The plug often gets greasy dirty and not make good contact and subject to vibration intermittent.
There is no code for this issue because it signals the PCM to begin reference for all that happens at cranking and running.
If no signal, the PCM has no way to know without any reference from the crank sensor with no 'other' inputs to point to it..
The PCM does not even know the crank is turning with an open crank sensor circuit.
It could have been established by making checks because there will be no spark, no fuel and should have been tested for to begin with.
All this angst for nothing.
I am not trying to be antagonistic but bring common sense for others from your experiences trusting a shop that should have known better long before this point..
Good to see you happy again and good luck.
Thank you,
Mickey
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