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Rolling coal is idiotic and to intentionally smoke some one out is just pure immaturity .. the railroads are not forced to buy tier 4 regulations and the railroad i work on is rebuilding the older locomotives and converting them over to ac drive instead of dc .. I like how General Electric is meeting tier 4 emission without the use of urea
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From: Maine, Virginia
I don't use any tobacco, weed or otherwise nor do I go around sniffing glues, petroleum, etc but I'll say this: The most wonderful smell in the world is the diesel exhaust coming out of the stacks of a large Coast Guard cutter while you're on the fantail sipping coffee and the boat is slipping through the ocean in pursuit of a smuggler. This is good stuff!
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That is why the EPA's attack on VW TDI's is massively stupid and hypocritical. Yes, the TDI fleet emitted more NOx than it was allowed. But these vehicles were more than delivering on their EPA promised mpg. That resulted in a net drop in carbon emissions when compared against comparable gasoline powered vehicles that consumers might have otherwise purchased. So it was a win for us, but the EPA is going to shove its weight around and make an example out of VW...and now a great vehicle goes away and VW's new focus is goofy electric vehicles which are perceived as "clean" but really are not.
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Agreed. Some potheads get by OK, but most are the least motivated people I have ever seen. And burning a joint is combustion; the smoke is carcinogenic, and inhaling smoke is just plain dumb. I can have fun and feel good in a whole bunch of other ways besides inhaling smoke. But I'm going off topic here, so I guess if you want to smoke, exhale into the air intake of a running 6.7L so all the smoke gets trapped in the DPF. Next regen, the people behind you will be in for a surprise...lol.
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When I had my 6.0, it had a straight exhaust, upgraded turbo, ect., but you could barely get any smoke out of it with the tune I was running. Point being, you can delete these trucks, and even further mod them, without rolling black stuff everywhere. I get that diesel fumes are a carcinogen, but gas fumes have carcinogenic properties as well, and my bets are, within the next decade it'll be found that the white clouds we now blow instead, aren't much healthier.
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From: NH
Absolutely, and the newer the diesel, the less pollution it makes even without any after-treatment system. The fuel systems are very tightly computer controlled now and the eventual goal is to not need the after-treatment system.
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From: Hatfield's side of river
I've spent years studying the effects of THC tetrahydrocannabinol and its affects on the human body and am considered an expert witness in State and United States Federal Court System. THC isn't the only substance in Marijuana, there are MANY that are directly linked to lung cancer. There are actually Physicians that go as far as to say that if you've smoked it ONCE, yes, once, you can get lung cancer. Marijuana use has also been directly linked to schizophrenia. This fact was actually reported on Fox New Medical Reports this morning.
Statements such as this can lead others to not take something dangerous as seriously as it should be.
Now, to be considerate to the OP and the integrity of this thread, I'm finished on this topic. There's no fight here with me guys, as I will not respond further in this regard. Take this info, or leave it. Pot is a touchy issue to many.
Carry on Gentlemen.
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I don't use any tobacco, weed or otherwise nor do I go around sniffing glues, petroleum, etc but I'll say this: The most wonderful smell in the world is the diesel exhaust coming out of the stacks of a large Coast Guard cutter while you're on the fantail sipping coffee and the boat is slipping through the ocean in pursuit of a smuggler. This is good stuff!
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I don't use any tobacco, weed or otherwise nor do I go around sniffing glues, petroleum, etc but I'll say this: The most wonderful smell in the world is the diesel exhaust coming out of the stacks of a large Coast Guard cutter while you're on the fantail sipping coffee and the boat is slipping through the ocean in pursuit of a smuggler. This is good stuff!
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Now as for "rolling coal" I always found rolling coal just because you think it looks cool stupid.
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From: Lewisberry, Penn
If your vehicle is burning less fuel, there are literally, automatically, less pollutants to be emitted.
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I guess I would as as a "pot head" as I smoke twice a day. Not only can I afford and paid cash for my super duty. I also paid cash for a new Z06, my gt500 my SRT jeep and my house. Don't classify people because they smoke. I know for a fact there are many of us that own our own successful businesses and work our tails off.
Now as for "rolling coal" I always found rolling coal just because you think it looks cool stupid.
Now as for "rolling coal" I always found rolling coal just because you think it looks cool stupid.
NO WAY....these are the only two people that were successful smoking weed...lol
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From: NH
That's simply not true. You're consuming less fuel, but the outputs can still be different. The EGR system burns particulates that would otherwise enter the atmosphere. The DEF chemically changes the output emissions as well. Modern diesel motors are darn clean and their outputs are nearly inert. I'm not saying that I think it matters, or that there isn't an argument that lowering inputs has an environmental offset to increased polluting emissions, but simply burning less fuel does not mean it's a cleaner motor.
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From: Lewisberry, Penn
The basic idea comes from the scientific law that you can not create or destroy matter, and that if you put 1 unit of matter in you get 1 unit of matter out. That's all well and good, but the chemical compounds of that matter are what matter! If one truck gets 1 unit of matter fuel and outputs .5 units of pollutants and .5 units of inert stuff then that's .5 units of pollutants. If the other truck takes 2 units of fuel for the same work, but only outputs .25 units of pollutants and 1.75 units of inert stuff, it is the "cleaner emission" motor. On trucks, EPA doesn't really care about input amounts, just the outputs of pollutants.
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From: NH
The basic idea comes from the scientific law that you can not create or destroy matter, and that if you put 1 unit of matter in you get 1 unit of matter out. That's all well and good, but the chemical compounds of that matter are what matter! If one truck gets 1 unit of matter fuel and outputs .5 units of pollutants and .5 units of inert stuff then that's .5 units of pollutants. If the other truck takes 2 units of fuel for the same work, but only outputs .25 units of pollutants and 1.75 units of inert stuff, it is the "cleaner emission" motor. On trucks, EPA doesn't really care about input amounts, just the outputs of pollutants.
My point is, if you light 1 gallon of diesel on fire and measure pollutants emitted, they will be less than what you measure from burning 1.5 gallons of diesel.
Your point is well taken that any number of variables from injection pressure, EGR operation, catalyst operation, DPF filter, etc could all serve to reduce pollution, even to the point where the higher consumption engine still pollutes less. But you have to admit, the one that consumes less starts off with a natural advantage.