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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 03:38 PM
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2002 Excursion V10 MAF relay?

The check engine light on my 2002 Excursion (with V10 engine) recently came on and the vehicle starting running very rough, as if there were water in the gas. I checked the ODB II codes and it showed P0113 (air intake temp circuit) and P0102 (MAF circuit low output).

Since this vehicle uses a 6-wire MAF sensor, that tells me the intake temp sensor is built-in to the MAF. So I was going to troubleshoot the MAF (I hate probing the back of a sealed connector or piercing a wire), but I wanted to check the price of an MAF first. That's because I figured, based on the codes, I would be buying one anyway.

Upon looking at NAPA's website, I noticed that it lists an MAF relay in addition to the sensor itself. Since the relay is 1/10th the price of the sensor, and relays go bad as often as anything else, I was willing to spend (possibly waste) $16 to keep from having to pierce those wires. The proble is that I have no idea where that relay is, and a search of "MAF relay" & "V10" on this forum gives me zilch. The relay doesn't look like any of the relays in the fuse panel below the steering column.

Is NAPA full of it? Is there such a relay in this vehicle? Ironically enough, changing the vehicle to an F-250 instead of an Excursion makes the relay disappear from NAPA's parts list. I would have thought if the V10 Excursion has this relay, then a V10 F-250 would too.

Thanks for any insight you can provide.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 06:06 PM
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There's no such thing as a "MAF Relay" on any Ford vehicle.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LorenS
... So I was going to troubleshoot the MAF (I hate probing the back of a sealed connector or piercing a wire), ...

Upon looking at NAPA's website, I noticed that it lists an MAF relay in addition to the sensor itself. ...

Is NAPA full of it? Is there such a relay in this vehicle?....
For probing connectors I've used one of my wife's sewing pins with good results. It will slip right in alongside the wire in a connector.

According to the 2002 wiring diagrams the MAF get it's power from the PCM Power Relay after going thru 20A fuse 2.22, hot in RUN/START after the PCM Relay is activated.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 06:47 PM
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Thanks, projectSHO89. I thought something was fishy, since I couldn't find a single discussion about such a relay.

Here's a screen shot of the NAPA page. I guess I'll be piercing those wires, or at least trying to clean that sensor...

 
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I knew I wasn't going to get out of this for $13.69. I guess I can send my wife down there, since she's used to buying things we don't need, just because it's cheap.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by R&T Babich
For probing connectors I've used one of my wife's sewing pins with good results. It will slip right in alongside the wire in a connector.

According to the 2002 wiring diagrams the MAF get it's power from the PCM Power Relay after going thru 20A fuse 2.22, hot in RUN/START after the PCM Relay is activated.
I'll try the needle trick. Thx.

I guess the PCM relay is what they're selling. I assume if that relay goes out, the vehicle won't run at all.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2016 | 08:32 PM
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... I assume if that relay goes out, the vehicle won't run at all.
Correct.
The NAPA relay pictured is not the PCM relay used in 2002 - it is the other configuration.
 
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