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Old Dec 23, 2016 | 12:47 PM
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Strange Misfire Problem

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So I've had a misfire in my '99 V10 for a good week now. The day after I noticed it I took 7 coils off and cleaned the contact surface and put some dielectric grease on them. I didn't have all day so I just left the 3 that i couldn't easily get at. It seemed to solve the problem, until just a couple days ago I was driving and I started to notice the thumping and pretty soon it got worse and worse. That evening I was coming home from work and I had only driven a good mile and it was gone again. So while I was driving I put my foot down and gave it some load and nothing, no misfire. It had been really bad when the truck was in overdrive and I gave it a little gas, just enough to put a load on the engine. Tried that and still no misfire. And now today again it is coming back. Talked to a guy at the local Ford dealership and he said check the coils for moisture. How could moisture develop in there so quickly? I pulled them out last Saturday, and they were all free from water, just a good coating of grease. Although some did have some crusty black crap on them (which I cleaned off). As for the other 3 coils, they didn't seem to have a problem after I cleaned the other 7 so I guess I have kida ruled them out for now. Anyone know what's going on?
 
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Old Dec 24, 2016 | 05:03 PM
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Hi guys,
So I've had a misfire in my '99 V10 for a good week now. The day after I noticed it I took 7 coils off and cleaned the contact surface and put some dielectric grease on them. I didn't have all day so I just left the 3 that i couldn't easily get at. It seemed to solve the problem, until just a couple days ago I was driving and I started to notice the thumping and pretty soon it got worse and worse. That evening I was coming home from work and I had only driven a good mile and it was gone again. So while I was driving I put my foot down and gave it some load and nothing, no misfire. It had been really bad when the truck was in overdrive and I gave it a little gas, just enough to put a load on the engine. Tried that and still no misfire. And now today again it is coming back. Talked to a guy at the local Ford dealership and he said check the coils for moisture. How could moisture develop in there so quickly? I pulled them out last Saturday, and they were all free from water, just a good coating of grease. Although some did have some crusty black crap on them (which I cleaned off). As for the other 3 coils, they didn't seem to have a problem after I cleaned the other 7 so I guess I have kida ruled them out for now. Anyone know what's going on?
The first thing that is going on is that you are doing hit and miss maintenance. Why would you only do 7 out of 10 anything and expect great results? Change ALL the spark plugs with NEW spark plugs and coil boots and go from there. Would you want a doctor operating on you that averaged C- grades in doctor school?

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Old Dec 24, 2016 | 06:13 PM
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a misfire..

electrical... spark plugs. plug wires, coils, wiring from computer... computer.
fuel, injectors, wiring to injectors, computer. fuel pump. bad fuel...
air, air filter, air intake leaks.

and that is the start... do it correctly or take it to a professional.

my opinion.. if you had 3 bad teeth.. would you only deal with 2 ???
 
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Old Dec 24, 2016 | 09:39 PM
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Ok, I get the fact that I only checked 7 of them, and should have checked all of them. I happen to work 2 jobs and had a LIMITED amount of time to work on it that particular day. I do plan on tearing farther but I'm not sure when. If anything went bad wouldn't it send a code? I have had no check engine light throughout this whole process, and yes the light does work. What is really surprising me here is the fact that the misfire comes and goes. This morning I drove it a bit but it started misfiring after 5-10 minutes of warming up and 15-20 minutes of driving.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2016 | 05:49 AM
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I understand No time...

8 hours as a car mechanic... 4 hours as a motorcycle mechanic.. Saturday was also 8 hours at motorcycle shop.

for 15 years.. very sickly wife, lots of hospital bills.

I get no time..

but 7 out of 10 plugs dues almost nothing for your engine problem. as the most difficult to get to is most likely the issue. Murphy's Law.

like my Mother used to tell me.. you can get sleep when you die.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2016 | 05:57 AM
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Replace the 3 coils you couldn't get at and all spark plugs.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2016 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by '99F250
If anything went bad wouldn't it send a code? I have had no check engine light throughout this whole process, and yes the light does work. What is really surprising me here is the fact that the misfire comes and goes. This morning I drove it a bit but it started misfiring after 5-10 minutes of warming up and 15-20 minutes of driving.
It does not necessarily set a code for misfire.
First you need to understand what you are working on.
Read these completely and go from there:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...t-come-on.html

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Bit of an update, it stopped misfiring for quite a while, but then it snowed again and it misfired worse than the first time. Also, I bought an Ultragauge, a digital gauge that sits on the dash, it also reads codes. When it misfired real bad the second time it threw a PO300, when googled I found that it meant a misfire in multiple cylinders, not necessarily staying in one particular cylinder. Now I'm not saying that snow causes the misfire, but it's a pretty big coincidence that both times it misfired was driving in snow. I've also been in contact with a Ford tech that lives down the road and he's also baffled. We pulled some coils that I had pulled, along with one in the very back and all looked good. Pulled a plug and it looked brand new. They only have approx. 20k on them. Now I know I know, we didn't pull all of them, fact is it wasn't misfiring when I had him look at it, I actually couldn't even get it to misfire. Drove it for a good 2 hours straight and nothing. Then out of the blue I drove to school last Monday, in the snow, and bam, she misfired at idle even. Never did that before. That's when it threw the code. And now it hasn't misfired since. Has anybody ever had this problem on their truck?
 
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Old Jan 16, 2017 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by '99F250
Bit of an update, it stopped misfiring for quite a while, but then it snowed again and it misfired worse than the first time. Also, I bought an Ultragauge, a digital gauge that sits on the dash, it also reads codes. When it misfired real bad the second time it threw a PO300, when googled I found that it meant a misfire in multiple cylinders, not necessarily staying in one particular cylinder. Now I'm not saying that snow causes the misfire, but it's a pretty big coincidence that both times it misfired was driving in snow. I've also been in contact with a Ford tech that lives down the road and he's also baffled. We pulled some coils that I had pulled, along with one in the very back and all looked good. Pulled a plug and it looked brand new. They only have approx. 20k on them. Now I know I know, we didn't pull all of them, fact is it wasn't misfiring when I had him look at it, I actually couldn't even get it to misfire. Drove it for a good 2 hours straight and nothing. Then out of the blue I drove to school last Monday, in the snow, and bam, she misfired at idle even. Never did that before. That's when it threw the code. And now it hasn't misfired since. Has anybody ever had this problem on their truck?
P0300 is a general code, it really doesnt say much. I would go to an auto zone and see if you can get them to scan it and they may be able to tell you which cylinders have misfires stored on the truck.

Check and make sure your wiring at each cop is good nothing is chafed or broken, if all looks good I would pull each plug and check it, and if it looks suspect replace it, spark plugs are fairly inexpensive ( have you ever replaced all your plugs?
And see if that cures the issue, if not then might be time ) and I would buy one Coil On Plug pack and pull one coil on plug pack off of a cylinder and put your new one on and see what happens with that cylinder, if all seems good put the old cop back and then pull the next one off the next cylinder and then put the new cop on and repeat till you find the one that is giving you an issue, but I would check all my plugs and the wiring to each cop first
 
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Old Jan 16, 2017 | 10:10 PM
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P0300 is a general code, it really doesnt say much. I would go to an auto zone and see if you can get them to scan it and they may be able to tell you which cylinders have misfires stored on the truck.

Check and make sure your wiring at each cop is good nothing is chafed or broken, if all looks good I would pull each plug and check it, and if it looks suspect replace it, spark plugs are fairly inexpensive ( have you ever replaced all your plugs?
And see if that cures the issue, if not then might be time ) and I would buy one Coil On Plug pack and pull one coil on plug pack off of a cylinder and put your new one on and see what happens with that cylinder, if all seems good put the old cop back and then pull the next one off the next cylinder and then put the new cop on and repeat till you find the one that is giving you an issue, but I would check all my plugs and the wiring to each cop first
Wiring is something I haven't checked yet, I'll try and get to that sometime soon. My main problem is that it rarely actually misfires, at least enough to plug it into a high end OBD scanner/computer. It's always at the wrong time haha! That's what the tech did, he had a computer that monitored all 10 cylinders. But that does me no good unless it misfires, which is the frustrating part of this whole thing.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2017 | 10:14 PM
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Wiring is something I haven't checked yet, I'll try and get to that sometime soon. My main problem is that it rarely actually misfires, at least enough to plug it into a high end OBD scanner/computer. It's always at the wrong time haha! That's what the tech did, he had a computer that monitored all 10 cylinders. But that does me no good unless it misfires, which is the frustrating part of this whole thing.
nothing in the stored codes to indicate what cylinders had the misifire and the count of misfires? odd.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2017 | 10:20 PM
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Pay a tech that knows what they're doing to go on a test drive with you with their scan tool plugged in until it misfires. Ford has one of the friendliest Mode 6 data setups that will tell exactly which cylinder is misfiring.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2017 | 07:06 AM
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nothing in the stored codes to indicate what cylinders had the misifire and the count of misfires? odd.
It might, but my little gauge doesn't show anything. Might I add it hasn't shown a check engine light once throughout this whole process.

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Pay a tech that knows what they're doing to go on a test drive with you with their scan tool plugged in until it misfires. Ford has one of the friendliest Mode 6 data setups that will tell exactly which cylinder is misfiring.
That's what I did, drove around for a good hour to hour and a half with him and the computer plugged in but we got no real sign of misfires.

I have another week or so of going to school (about 30 min. away) so we'll see what happens.
 
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What Causes a P0300 Code?


  • Low Fuel Pressure
  • Vacuum Leak
  • EGR system malfunction
  • Internal Engine Problems (such as low compression)
Less Common Causes

  • Faulty Coil
  • Faulty Spark Plugs and/or Wires
  • Camshaft or Crankshaft sensors
  • Ignition module
  • Computer
 
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Old Jan 17, 2017 | 09:37 PM
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Mike, which of the more likely causes of a P0300 would come and go? The thing that is really driving me crazy is that it comes and goes without rhyme or reason, except that it's only after it has been run for a while, never when cold. Possibly EGR malfunction??
 
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