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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 09:45 AM
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Mostly AODE questions

After 6-7 years as a Daily Driver I want to basically overhaul my Truck. For example: redo the rear brakes to get rid of the leak, swap out the v-belts for a serpentine, install electric fans. But the big one is replacing the 3spd w/OD manual tranny for and AODE. I have tried searching but only get results for AOD. Before people ask, I'm getting older and my knee is complaining about shifting gears. I refuse to give up my Truck. So I have a freshly rebuilt AODE from a 95 Mustang I can install. Maybe I can't shift gears but I can still drive my old Mule.

What I need. Has anyone swapped in and AODE? Besides the stand alone computer is there anything I need to watch out for? How about the crossmember and mount? Can I use my Manual one? Drive shaft?

I'd appreciate any information, Thanks, Ed
 
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 10:24 AM
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The AODE was never installed in trucks, just cars. That is why you don't see any info on it in reference to our trucks.

Having said that, I see no reason the AODE cannot be used instead of an AOD.
It should bolt in to your truck in a similar fashion to an AOD, plus the controller, of course. You will need the AODE Torque Converter.

Since you are using a car trans in a truck, you are on your own when it comes to your driveshaft. Measure both transmissions 90 degrees from the bellhousings and see if there is any difference. My truck with the standard 3 speed was plus or minus about a quarter inch of an AOD length.

The mount for the AOD will fit in the same spot as my 3 speed. you will have to measure yours.

The AODE transmission yoke may be different from yours. You will have to figure this out or just get the car yoke just in case.

You may need the block plate from the car. I have not made my swap yet, but I got the block plate from a junkyard just in case.

You will need the flexplate from a 1992-1996 F150 XL 300 cube inline with the AOD. I will get you the info on this later.


I have a lot of info for putting an AOD in my 82 so I can be of assistance, please just ask!
Jim
 
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 10:54 AM
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I do not know if the AOD flexplate will work with an AODE torque converter!

You will have to find this out on your own!





300 AOD combo flex plate-torque converter
300 / AOD flex plates have a 17/32" offset, when measured from crank mounting flange surface, to torque converter mount pads surface.
Others, including C6 and E40D, have a 23/32" offset.
Hollander # for correct flex plate: 409-730
Ford p/n: E3TZ-6375-G
E3TZ-6375-G 14.23" Diameter, No weight 164-tooth
 
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 11:02 AM
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A little background on the Truck and me. My truck is a toy. Stress relief. A personal pleasure. It's work is very light and rare. Trips to Lowes or carry some firewood to a friend. It tows my lawn mower to my mother's 3 miles down the road. I changed out the rearend a couple of years ago to an 8.8LS with 3.31 gears. The AODE should be plenty for the very light duty my truck sees. It's an 86 Flare side with a 300cid 6cyl.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Wagonboy
I do not know if the AOD flexplate will work with an AODE torque converter!

You will have to find this out on your own!





300 AOD combo flex plate-torque converter
300 / AOD flex plates have a 17/32" offset, when measured from crank mounting flange surface, to torque converter mount pads surface.
Others, including C6 and E40D, have a 23/32" offset.
Hollander # for correct flex plate: 409-730
Ford p/n: E3TZ-6375-G
E3TZ-6375-G 14.23" Diameter, No weight 164-tooth


OK There is NO AODE flywheel for a 300.

So, if you want to use the AODE in your truck, you will have to engineer a flexplate for the 300 on your own.
or change the engine to a 5.0.
Or use an AOD. (Check back with me if you chose this option)
 
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 08:43 PM
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Check on the speedometer also. Those later transmissions usually do not have a spot for a older cable drive speedo to hook up.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 09:27 PM
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On the flywheel (flex plate) I would look for one that will work for your 300 and see if you can have it drilled, if it did not already line up, for the AODE converter.


The other way would be get one for the AODE if it would bolt to the crank and have it matched balanced to your stick flywheel.
A machine shop should be able to do that for you.
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Franklin2
Check on the speedometer also. Those later transmissions usually do not have a spot for a older cable drive speedo to hook up.

Thanks, I plan to install a GPS speedo.
 
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Originally Posted by FuzzFace2
On the flywheel (flex plate) I would look for one that will work for your 300 and see if you can have it drilled, if it did not already line up, for the AODE converter.


The other way would be get one for the AODE if it would bolt to the crank and have it matched balanced to your stick flywheel.
A machine shop should be able to do that for you.
Dave ----

I can't use a flex plate from a 302?
 
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 10:50 PM
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The 302 is balanced differently from the 300. This involves the flexplate.

I also am not sure if the flexplate/flywheel bolt pattern in the same.

The depth from the crankshaft to the ring gear is important also.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2016 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by nolan62
I can't use a flex plate from a 302?
Originally Posted by Wagonboy
The 302 is balanced differently from the 300. This involves the flexplate.

I also am not sure if the flexplate/flywheel bolt pattern in the same.

The depth from the crankshaft to the ring gear is important also.
OK here is the low down - you can use any flywheel that will bolt up to the crank*.
You just have to have it match balanced to match the weight of the flywheel of the 300six.


* only thing is to make sure the teeth for the starter will work with the starter used. I hear they make stick & auto starters.



In the AMC world they do this all the time as each flywheel/flex plate is balanced for each size motor but all from the 258six up to the 401 will bolt to the crank. Cant even trust a new one as it is marked 304 - 401 and this is not true other than it will bolt up just not balanced right.


So you should have options if it bolts to the crank.
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Old Nov 27, 2016 | 07:29 AM
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I want to say the 300 six flywheel is neutral balanced. If the 302 flywheel would bolt up, you might be able to knock the weight off it.

I am going by memory, but a long time ago I ordered a flexplate for my 1980 when I did a engine swap. I needed the flexplate because I swapped in a 1986 302 and it originally had a early 302 in it with the different balance.

The flywheel I ordered was from Summit, and it would fit either engine and I want to say it fit the 300 also. It had 4 studs in one spot, and had these metal plates that you slide back and forth. You slide them together for the 50oz inbalance for the later engine, slide them apart for the 28oz earlier engine, and I think I remember you took the weights off completely for the 300.

I am not sure they still make this flexplate, and it was a long time ago. It fit up to the c6 trans.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2016 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Franklin2
I want to say the 300 six flywheel is neutral balanced. If the 302 flywheel would bolt up, you might be able to knock the weight off it.

I am going by memory, but a long time ago I ordered a flexplate for my 1980 when I did a engine swap. I needed the flexplate because I swapped in a 1986 302 and it originally had a early 302 in it with the different balance.

The flywheel I ordered was from Summit, and it would fit either engine and I want to say it fit the 300 also. It had 4 studs in one spot, and had these metal plates that you slide back and forth. You slide them together for the 50oz inbalance for the later engine, slide them apart for the 28oz earlier engine, and I think I remember you took the weights off completely for the 300.

I am not sure they still make this flexplate, and it was a long time ago. It fit up to the c6 trans.
Do you know if the center, between the crank flange & starter ring was solid where the converter would bolt up?
I ask because if it is and the holes do not line up for the AODE converter you can have the plate drilled for the AODE converter.
Dave ----
 
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Old Nov 27, 2016 | 08:51 AM
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I want to say the 300 six flywheel is neutral balanced. If the 302 flywheel would bolt up, you might be able to knock the weight off it.
I did just that when the 302 in 89 F250 ate up a cam sprocket and swapped in a fresh rebuilt 300 I6.

I removed the counter balance weight from the 302's AOD flex plate and re-balance the flex plate using a old lawn mower blade balancer. 4 years and no problems.
 
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I was going to order a flex plate for the 95 300. They had AOD's and my understanding is the AOD and AODE are physically same, Just the computer difference.
 
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