Help with towing numbers
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Help with towing numbers
I need you guys to help me please. Going to look at some new 5th whells again this weekend. I hate for this to be a can I tow this post so here it goes.
What are all the numbers I need to know?
The truck: F350 Lariat CCSB 6.7L 4x4 heavy duty front suspension and 20's
Most of the better trailers seemed to gross out at the 16,000# range with a pin of 2500+.
I plan on weighing the truck before the final decision. I would like to be in a comfortable tow range also.
What are the numbers on this truck? The ones I'm putting down are what I think I found but not sure.
Please help me with all the numbers for this truck I have ordered.
GCWR= 28,700 (all in)
GVWR= 11,500. (Total # on truck )
RGWR= 7,230. (Total # on rear or truck )
Max 5th wheel = 20,600
What are all the numbers I need to know?
The truck: F350 Lariat CCSB 6.7L 4x4 heavy duty front suspension and 20's
Most of the better trailers seemed to gross out at the 16,000# range with a pin of 2500+.
I plan on weighing the truck before the final decision. I would like to be in a comfortable tow range also.
What are the numbers on this truck? The ones I'm putting down are what I think I found but not sure.
Please help me with all the numbers for this truck I have ordered.
GCWR= 28,700 (all in)
GVWR= 11,500. (Total # on truck )
RGWR= 7,230. (Total # on rear or truck )
Max 5th wheel = 20,600
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Assuming you stay in the 16K range for the 5th wheel, probably the only thing you need to worry about as far as staying in the trucks published specs is payload. Getting an exact number is difficult there - you really need the actual door sticker for true payload after options are added to the truck (Ford only publishes a max possible number) and the loaded pin weight, which you can't get until you take the loaded trailer to the scale. But I would think 20% of max gvwr of whatever trailer you are looking at would be a safe number to estimate off of.
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I need you guys to help me please. Going to look at some new 5th whells again this weekend. I hate for this to be a can I tow this post so here it goes.
What are all the numbers I need to know?
The truck: F350 Lariat CCSB 6.7L 4x4 heavy duty front suspension and 20's
Most of the better trailers seemed to gross out at the 16,000# range with a pin of 2500+.
I plan on weighing the truck before the final decision. I would like to be in a comfortable tow range also.
What are the numbers on this truck? The ones I'm putting down are what I think I found but not sure.
Please help me with all the numbers for this truck I have ordered.
GCWR= 28,700 (all in)
GVWR= 11,500. (Total # on truck )
RGWR= 7,230. (Total # on rear or truck )
Max 5th wheel = 20,600
What are all the numbers I need to know?
The truck: F350 Lariat CCSB 6.7L 4x4 heavy duty front suspension and 20's
Most of the better trailers seemed to gross out at the 16,000# range with a pin of 2500+.
I plan on weighing the truck before the final decision. I would like to be in a comfortable tow range also.
What are the numbers on this truck? The ones I'm putting down are what I think I found but not sure.
Please help me with all the numbers for this truck I have ordered.
GCWR= 28,700 (all in)
GVWR= 11,500. (Total # on truck )
RGWR= 7,230. (Total # on rear or truck )
Max 5th wheel = 20,600
2017 Super Duty Truck | Towing Specs | Ford.com
You will need to click the tab for payload selector regarding the pin weight which is in essence, payload.
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I recommend investing the $140 on a 5000# sherline pin scale and bring a floor jack and 4x4 to the dealer to weigh the pin. Sometimes they are way higher than expected. The propane, front a/c, etc aren't in the "stock" dry pin spec in the brochures.
I'm at 2200# measured dry (2400#+ packed carefully to manage the pin weight) and am struggling to get a new F350 under specs with a family of 5. (Silverback 37bh 41' long.)
I'm limited to 4 choices:
1. Be right at or over my specs
2. Get the 6.2 to be 750# lighter (and be at the tow limit)
3. Get the dually
4. Get the Ram (800# more capacity) or maybe the to-be-announced 2017 GM.
I'm at 2200# measured dry (2400#+ packed carefully to manage the pin weight) and am struggling to get a new F350 under specs with a family of 5. (Silverback 37bh 41' long.)
I'm limited to 4 choices:
1. Be right at or over my specs
2. Get the 6.2 to be 750# lighter (and be at the tow limit)
3. Get the dually
4. Get the Ram (800# more capacity) or maybe the to-be-announced 2017 GM.
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As to figuring out pin weight, again, there is no way to tell without weighing it. Dry weight as you know means nothing but the old 20% formula is just a WAG too. You can use a Sherline scale or weigh the 5ver but that's tough when you don't own it. You're only way to get close without committing would be to find another owner with the same floor plan that's weighed his rig. But again, that doesn't mean you would load it the same way.
All that said, a SRW 350 will easily handle almost any 16k GVWR RV on the market. Have fun shopping....
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A couple things. You can't go by published payload. To get accurate payload, you'd have to have the truck ready to pull and weigh it. That means, full tank of fuel, family and gear in, and hitch in the bed. Then subtract the real weight from the GVWR. That's what you have left for pin weight.
As to figuring out pin weight, again, there is no way to tell without weighing it. Dry weight as you know means nothing but the old 20% formula is just a WAG too. You can use a Sherline scale or weigh the 5ver but that's tough when you don't own it. You're only way to get close without committing would be to find another owner with the same floor plan that's weighed his rig. But again, that doesn't mean you would load it the same way.
All that said, a SRW 350 will easily handle almost any 16k GVWR RV on the market. Have fun shopping....
As to figuring out pin weight, again, there is no way to tell without weighing it. Dry weight as you know means nothing but the old 20% formula is just a WAG too. You can use a Sherline scale or weigh the 5ver but that's tough when you don't own it. You're only way to get close without committing would be to find another owner with the same floor plan that's weighed his rig. But again, that doesn't mean you would load it the same way.
All that said, a SRW 350 will easily handle almost any 16k GVWR RV on the market. Have fun shopping....
Cargo Master
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I am sure an engineer would never release the tolerance built into the payload weight which is actually a justifiable weight from the engineering department. To be sure there is plenty of capability somewhat beyond the published numbers. It is one's own temperament which allows us to exceed a sticker with the manufacturers "safe" weight stamped in permanent ink on the door jamb.
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I agree 100%. It's a shame that all of the "garage" storage buckets are near the front. I'm going to experiment with my tanks to see how much they can help. I figure an extra 30 gallons of fresh water in the back black tank my take another 100# off the pin.
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You'd be shocked at how little loading the front storage has an effect on PIN. It's next to nothing. Guys have done extensive testing on that and found it's so negligible, it's not worth considering. Just like adding 1500# to the back of my toy hauler only changes the pin less than 200#. You'd think it would be a lot more but it isn't. Again, real world numbers don't jive with arm chair engineering.
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