2017 Drive the future Event - Houston, TX
#46
#47
You should think about this a minute. More force on the driveline will make no difference on clutch wear in a corner up to the point of breaking traction. The difference in speed of the outer wheel (faster) and the inner wheel (slower) is exactly the same as long as there is not wheel slippage. The torque applied only affects the surface of the tire against the pavement. The limited slip action only tries to spin the inner wheel at the same as the outer wheel. Since this action is contained by the friction of the tire against the road the wear on the clutches is not increased or decreased as a factor of torque applied.
Hopefully it's clear that I have thought about this. Additional force on drive shaft absolutely translates into additional force on the clutch pack due to the gear tapers up to the point when the tires break loose - then additional force on the drive shaft will just cause the wheels to slip faster.
More specifically, take a look at an image of the internal gears and you'll see what I'm talking about. The differential pinion gear (a.k.a. spider gear) mates with the differential side gears. The teeth on both gears are pyramids. The more force that the spider gears put on the differential side gear, the more they are forced outward. The limited slip clutches are between the differential side gears and the differential case (a.k.a. carrier).
More force on the drive shaft = more force on the pinion gear = more force on the ring gear = more force on the carrier = more force on the cross pin = more force on the spider gears = more force on the differential side gear = more fore on the clutch packs. Hopefully this helps explain how the LS rears work. If not, I think there are some youtube videos that will explain this even better.
#48
The limited slip clutches are between the differential side gears and the differential case (a.k.a. carrier).
More force on the drive shaft = more force on the pinion gear = more force on the ring gear = more force on the carrier = more force on the cross pin = more force on the spider gears = more force on the differential side gear = more fore on the clutch packs. Hopefully this helps explain how the LS rears work. If not, I think there are some youtube videos that will explain this even better.
More force on the drive shaft = more force on the pinion gear = more force on the ring gear = more force on the carrier = more force on the cross pin = more force on the spider gears = more force on the differential side gear = more fore on the clutch packs. Hopefully this helps explain how the LS rears work. If not, I think there are some youtube videos that will explain this even better.
#50
Going easy on the fuel on turns reduces the force on the clutches when the wheels are spinning at different speeds - thus making it last longer. If you don't pay attention to this, then I understand why the LS does little after 100K miles. The clutches only last so long, but are replacable.
Thanks for explaining the torque effect but I am still not sure normal driving should account for having to tear down a differential and replace clutch packs as a regular maintenance item.
#51
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The adaptive steering is immediately noticeable. As we left the parking area we have to maneuver through a maze of parked vehicles (no small feat for a dually) and this truck handles it like my wifes Explorer. It felt awesome.
As for ride quality, second to none. Both my wife and I had a chance to drive the F-450 and in her own words "This truck is as smooth as my explorer and actually feels more comfortable overall". She drives a 2015 Explorer Sport. I couldn't agree with her more. Comparing the ride to my 2014 F-350 SRW, there was definitely a difference and it was for the better. The 2017 felt more planted and smoother overall, even hitting every pot hole i could find.
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The adaptive steering is immediately noticeable. As we left the parking area we have to maneuver through a maze of parked vehicles (no small feat for a dually) and this truck handles it like my wifes Explorer. It felt awesome.
As for ride quality, second to none. Both my wife and I had a chance to drive the F-450 and in her own words "This truck is as smooth as my explorer and actually feels more comfortable overall". She drives a 2015 Explorer Sport. I couldn't agree with her more. Comparing the ride to my 2014 F-350 SRW, there was definitely a difference and it was for the better. The 2017 felt more planted and smoother overall, even hitting every pot hole i could find.
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I just gave up guessing and ordered a 5K pin scale. Once I know the my pin weight, I'll be able to make a more informed decision between F350 SRW and the F450.
#52
Has anyone else driven the 2017 F450 that can provide a second opinion - it'd be great if the F450 really felt as nimble and smooth as an explorer.
I just gave up guessing and ordered a 5K pin scale. Once I know the my pin weight, I'll be able to make a more informed decision between F350 SRW and the F450.
I just gave up guessing and ordered a 5K pin scale. Once I know the my pin weight, I'll be able to make a more informed decision between F350 SRW and the F450.
#53
I agree with 05yuk.....turns really tight. I would definitely call it "Nimble" compared to older 250 and 350 SRWs. I only drove it for about 6-7 minutes...but you forget real fast that the big fenders are back there. Rode pretty smooth...felt like driving a Platinum Expedition or a Navigator. Pretty plush. I only really felt two bumps...when I went down into a ditch with a flat bottom...seam going down and seam going up. Other than those two bumps...It felt just as smooth as my 2011 F250 KR....even a tad better.
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