Crown Vic Power Steering Control
#16
After installing a new power steering pump with a pulley system and hydroboost. I installed a pressure gauge to find the pump making 800 psi under load and 1100psi at full lock. The hydroboost working perfectly but the steering was still very weak.
The Crown Vic rack has a VAPS Variable Assist Power Steering system that allows full power steering at idle and it pulls power out of the steering as speed increases. Unfortunately without the pwm input from the crown vic ECU. The rack and pinion assumes your cruising at 119mph and you don't want full power assist. I have made a simple controller that gives you control of of the power steering rate. From way to much to not enough.
The Crown Vic rack has a VAPS Variable Assist Power Steering system that allows full power steering at idle and it pulls power out of the steering as speed increases. Unfortunately without the pwm input from the crown vic ECU. The rack and pinion assumes your cruising at 119mph and you don't want full power assist. I have made a simple controller that gives you control of of the power steering rate. From way to much to not enough.
I am curious to hear what you are running for a tire on the truck. I have done three crown vic swaps and working on my 4th and none of them have had any struggle turning the tires. The front on my current truck are super sticky 295/40/18 on an 11" wheel and I have nothing hooked to the solenoid.
Are other people struggling with their power steering setups as well?
Sean
#17
It was by no means a struggle. 255/30/20 on a 9" wheel. My wife complained when she drove but she's not a big girl.
I'd say the steering was stiff at a stop, but it did indeed have power steering. With the PWM sending a signal at 100. At a stop there is no resistance at all. Anyone could turn the wheel with one finger from stop to stop. At 58 it seems about right maybe alittle easier than a std passenger car but not much. With no signal at all my 2007 crown vic rack steers like an old truck good while its moving stiff in the driveway or in tight parking. But maybe I expected to much. I can't remember the last time I drove a crown vic.
I do have a 14" steering wheel in my truck. I don't think they are that uncommon but who knows. I thought it was a simple inexpensive solution so I figured I'd post it up.
I'd say the steering was stiff at a stop, but it did indeed have power steering. With the PWM sending a signal at 100. At a stop there is no resistance at all. Anyone could turn the wheel with one finger from stop to stop. At 58 it seems about right maybe alittle easier than a std passenger car but not much. With no signal at all my 2007 crown vic rack steers like an old truck good while its moving stiff in the driveway or in tight parking. But maybe I expected to much. I can't remember the last time I drove a crown vic.
I do have a 14" steering wheel in my truck. I don't think they are that uncommon but who knows. I thought it was a simple inexpensive solution so I figured I'd post it up.
#18
This is interesting I researched this when I first put my crown vic in and wanted to get rid of the solenoid it was in the way of my original oil filter. Might have to give it a try for $15. I do have a signal coming from my tranny a 98 cobra t-45 to my elect speedo and to the speed dial so the coyote know the truck is moving and doesn't stall. Right now without going back I cant remember if the tranny puts out a vvs signal and the speeddial changes it to oss or the other way around. As the crown vic is newer think it would need the newer signal. So looked it up before 99 vss signal after 99 oss signal.
Last edited by 48prerunner; 08-13-2016 at 03:53 PM. Reason: vss vrs oss
#19
Guess it was back in 2013 when I was looking into this. power steering crown vic - The FORDification.com Forums
#20
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 This is what I put in the truck. I didn't need the display. Going into it I wanted to see what was going on, but its really straight forward. I put the pot up in the top of the glove box in case I need to get to it. Works like a champ. With this and the hydroboost the wife wants to drive the truck all the time now.
#22
I just set mine where I have enough assist to turn the wheel easily at a stop or while parking and it drives well at cruise. In my truck that was about 58%. With the controller you can get alot more assist than that but at highway speed it doesn't really feel right. But my 14" steering wheel has to take away leverage versus larger wheels. A friend of mine drove the truck to lunch today the last time he was in it was 5 months ago when I had just bought it. He liked it then but wants it now. I told him that I only let him drive it now with the 390 because I didn't want him driving it with the 428.
At lunch we were talking about the truck and I told him I figured by putting the crown vic front on it and not using a coyote motor I was avoiding spending alot of money on suspension, brakes and forced induction. I was amazed when he said I went in the right direction. He has had several track cars and now he wants an old F100.
I'm glad the info was helpful to someone.
At lunch we were talking about the truck and I told him I figured by putting the crown vic front on it and not using a coyote motor I was avoiding spending alot of money on suspension, brakes and forced induction. I was amazed when he said I went in the right direction. He has had several track cars and now he wants an old F100.
I'm glad the info was helpful to someone.
#23
Thanks mhrmike I may give it a try only really notice it when im backing up, you are right about the coyote and$$$ lol. My friend has a 428 in a 68 galaxie wagon, I've had enough of the FE motors wanted something newer and with overdrive for the highway. I bet i could wire your controller into the reverse lights as a relay trigger to send it power.
#25
worked great!
https://www.amazon.com/Unique-Goods-...s=pwm+stepless this is what I used i hooked it up to 12v ignition so it is on with the ignition. Its a simple 4 wire setup voltage in pwm out. Wired straight to the two connector on the motor. LB/YE is the positive LG/BK is negative. I cut the switch off of the controller and jumped the wires so it is always on. I may replace the potentiometer with resistors once I find the sweet spot.
#26
After installing a new power steering pump with a pulley system and hydroboost. I installed a pressure gauge to find the pump making 800 psi under load and 1100psi at full lock. The hydroboost working perfectly but the steering was still very weak.
The Crown Vic rack has a VAPS Variable Assist Power Steering system that allows full power steering at idle and it pulls power out of the steering as speed increases. Unfortunately without the pwm input from the crown vic ECU. The rack and pinion assumes your cruising at 119mph and you don't want full power assist. I have made a simple controller that gives you control of of the power steering rate. From way to much to not enough.
The Crown Vic rack has a VAPS Variable Assist Power Steering system that allows full power steering at idle and it pulls power out of the steering as speed increases. Unfortunately without the pwm input from the crown vic ECU. The rack and pinion assumes your cruising at 119mph and you don't want full power assist. I have made a simple controller that gives you control of of the power steering rate. From way to much to not enough.
#27
Hard steering on crown Vic conversion
After installing a new power steering pump with a pulley system and hydroboost. I installed a pressure gauge to find the pump making 800 psi under load and 1100psi at full lock. The hydroboost working perfectly but the steering was still very weak.
The Crown Vic rack has a VAPS Variable Assist Power Steering system that allows full power steering at idle and it pulls power out of the steering as speed increases. Unfortunately without the pwm input from the crown vic ECU. The rack and pinion assumes your cruising at 119mph and you don't want full power assist. I have made a simple controller that gives you control of of the power steering rate. From way to much to not enough.
The Crown Vic rack has a VAPS Variable Assist Power Steering system that allows full power steering at idle and it pulls power out of the steering as speed increases. Unfortunately without the pwm input from the crown vic ECU. The rack and pinion assumes your cruising at 119mph and you don't want full power assist. I have made a simple controller that gives you control of of the power steering rate. From way to much to not enough.
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#28
I clicked your link to Amazon. Bought it and installed it on a 2000 Lincoln Town Car Cartier. It fixed the high speed steering issues. The front suspension was aligned and everything double checked. The steering was too sensitive at speeds above 40mph. Impossible and unsafe for my wife to drive in the rain at night. Long trips were tiring because you constantly had to maintain your lane. I determined that there was a problem with the signal to the steering pressure switch. This signal is a low voltage pulse and without the signal, the pressure switch defaults to 100% pump pressure. I cut both signal wires from the control module (ECM) and connected the potentiometer to the pressure switch. This fixed the high speed steering instability issue. It is like a whole new car now. I know this is a truck forum but the tread had the link to Amazon so I am letting you know that this worked. It was cheap, easy to install and it worked. .I have a 1994 F250 and a 1967 F600 so I will use that as an excuse to post here. BTW Thanks for the link and the great information. I have had numerous very qualified mechanics evaluate this and we all came to the same conclusion. Some earlier year models default to low pressure when unplugged but my pressure switch defaulted to high pressure unplugged or when it was connected to the Ford original factory wiring harness. I believe it was the ECM that was sending a bad signal.
#30
I cut the two signal wires going to the pressure switch. I spliced both wires together at the pressure switch and connected them to the positive"motor" output of the potentiometer. The negative "motor" wire simply connects to ground and does not connect to the pressure switch. The signal wires that were cut coming from the ECM should be terminated so that they do not short or ground out on anything but they are no longer going to be connected to anything. This actually works quite well. I thought I would have to adjust it up and down depending on my driving speed but I am basically leaving it at 75 and it solved a serious steering stability problem that this vehicle has had for years.Earlier year models defaulted to low pressure all the time but my year model defaulted to high pressure all the time and at highway speeds or even around 40 mph or above the car had full time power assist making the car 'jerky". It was hard to relax while driving and if you were not going in exactly in a straight line then the steering was over reacting and dangerous. My wife hated driving at night in the rain. Now, it is smooth as glass. The pressure switch needs a pulse and it needs low voltage (lower than 12 volts). The new Amazon controller and potentiometer supplys both pulse and low voltage. I wired the controller to a circuit at the fuse box that is off when the car is not running. I routed and tucked my wires and I am very pleased with the installation and the product. I hope this helps you.