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Old Aug 11, 2016 | 03:41 PM
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Hey y'all this'll be my first post. My truck is driving me nuts. It's an 87 f150 4x4 with the straight six and 4 speed manual tranny. I bought it the beginning of last month and it's been giving me problems since I got it. I test drove it and all was good wasn't leaking any fluid, idled fine, new tires, started fined, etc the day I went and got it I get it five miles from the guys house and it looses all power and shudders to a stop like it's out of gas. Me and my buddy who brought me over there go to the gas station and get five gallon of gas for it. Fill her up and try to fire her up and she just cranked and cranked but no start. I cranked on it too long for its liking and the joker caught on fire. I guess the starter relay/solenoid heated up from cranking on her too long and she caught fire. I popped the hood and pulled the ground fore it could do too much damage but it was fried. I called the guy I bought it from ( super nice dude, a waterman) his girlfriend had triple A and offered to get it towed for free so I took him up on it and got it back to the house.
I replaced the relay and fried cables and got the starter checked and it was toasty too so I replaced all that. Then while I was at it I did some preventative maintenance stuff. New plugs,wires,distibutor cap,rotor button, oil, oil filter, antifreeze change. After I knocked all that out I went about trying to find my fuel/stalling issue.
Pulled the bed off( that was fun...) dropped the original tanks they were toasty so I ordered 2 new tanks front and rear and pumps. Blew out the fuel lines, replaced the fuel filter. While I had the bed off i hosed down the frame and wire wheeled it and painted it.
Paint dried, tanks came in, ect. Got all that put back on except the bed figured id make sure the pumps were working the way my luck was going id get the bed back on and they'd both be jacked, so I fired her up and let it idle for a little while. All was good, went to move it forward alittle to make the bed easier to get on, one foot on the brake one on the clutch and the brake pedal goes to the floor. Brake fluid was shooting out of the old rusty line so I shut her off and went about fixing that. Replaced the lines with the nickel copper stuff (good stuff by the way) bled the lines, new brake fluid. That was over so I went about putting the bed back on.
Got that on. Put a load of junk in the back to take to the dump. Fired her up, all good, get her down the road and the same damn thing happens she just shudders to a stop like she ran out of gas. Tried to fire her back up and it idled for a sec but it was real rough then it died again. I learned from last time so I quit cranking on her and called my daddy who lives down the road. He towed me back with his little Yota that has like 425,000 miles on it,that was embarrassing.
Get her back home and start ripping on her again. Pulled the upper intake manifold tested the injectors with a noid light all good, replaced the intake manifold gasket. Put her back on. Broke off an egr valve bolt trying to check that, intake back off fixed that blocked off the egr so that wouldn't be a factor. Pulled the throttle body off and hosed that out with carb cleaner and replaced the gasket. Cleaned the IAC valve and checked it and its getting the right voltage. Checked the TPS its all good. Checked the pumps they're getting good voltage and trying to prime. Relay and rollover dodad are good.
Checked pressure at the fuel rail and it's 0. Pulled the lines again, hosed them out again. Made sure the filter wasn't clogged. Bypassed the selector valve just to see. And replaced the inline high pressure pump. Still nothing. Got a certified Ford mechanic buddy of mine to come look at it and we tracked it back down to the intank pump... both of them front and rear neither of them are making any difference. Checked the pressure right at the pump and it goes to 2 psi with almost no volume then immediately bleeds off back to 0.
Pulled the bed off again and that brings me to today. Pulled out the front intank pump and compared it to the old one and it was the same. Same wiring everything. Figured with my luck I got two bad pumps so went and got another one. At the auto parts store they asked me if it was for a 17 or 19 gallon tank. I replaced the tank with a 19 gallon so I got that pump. Went back home. Compared the pump again and sure enough the one I just got was longer. I thought I might have been on to something so I stuck her in there and hooked her up. Checked the pressure at the pump and it's doing the same damn thing as the other one. Goes to 2psi then immediately drops to zero. At this point I said, yall know what I said. Hooked her up and tried to start her and of course it ain't working.
Thats why I joined here. I've tried everything I can think of and if one of y'all can help me get this sucker on the road I will be eternally grateful.
Thanks in advance, I'm open to any suggestions. I'm at the point where seeing it in flames is an appealing image.

-Mike
 
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 11:35 AM
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Any ideas? Forgot to mention I tried to pull the codes and my check engine light aint working. Changed bulbs and everything and it still doesn't light up when you turn the key on even
 
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 12:14 PM
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This might be a good time to remove the pcm and examine closely for leaking capacitors .
 
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 12:47 PM
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Hell just replace them. They had a 10 year expected lifespan.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 01:05 PM
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Sounds like a ground problem to me. Check the body to frame ground on passenger side under the door area, should be a braided strap, clean it on both ends if it's still attached.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 01:38 PM
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Well I don't know what happened... This morning I went to go fool around with it. Pulled the spark plugs out to see if the plugs had gas on them. Got them back On and I figured I would try to start it up just for the hell of it. To my disbelief I turned the key and she fired right up. Let it idle for 15 or so minutes. I had my pressure gauge attached to the fuel rail and it was reading 0. Its a Bosch gauge but an engine aint gonna work with 0 fuel pressure. Anyway thanks for the suggestions I will definitely check my pcm. I'm gonna need y'alls help with that I'm not a computer person whatsoever. Thank yall again.
-Mike
 
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