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Old Jun 27, 2016 | 11:36 PM
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Cool Starting issues

So I am hoping to get some help here. I have a 1990 Ford f350 Crew-Cab dually 2wd automatic with a 7.3l IDI diesel. My truck has 47,000 original miles on it.

Here is the rub, the truck sat for a year with being run or anything. I went to start it up after changing the fuel filter and installing 2 brand new batteries. The truck will turn over but will not start. I bled the fuel filter using the schrader valve while cranking the more till I got nothing but fuel out of it. I then cracked the injectors and then turned over the engine till I had only fuel at the injectors. And that is it.

When I turn the engine over it will start. I read that the wire connection on the injector pump closest to the firewall should be hot with the key in the on position but it is not.

This is my first diesel so I am at a loss here. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 12:20 AM
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First start of the day both wires to the injection pump should have 12v+.

However, only the one closest to the front really matters at this point, this is the fuel shutoff solenoid, it has to have 12v+ to run. I'll assume it did because you said you have fuel at the injectors.

Two brand new batteries doesn't mean two fully charged batteries ... These trucks take a lot of battery, minimum two 850CCA batteries fully charged.

How long does the Wait To Start (WTS) light stay on when you turn the key on?
Does it turn over pretty fast (Greater then about 200 RPM)?
Get any smoke out of the tail pipe and what color?

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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 12:36 AM
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first start the WTS takes about 10 seconds

it turn over very strongly. Exactly what I would expect I suppose

no smoke at all, I can 'feel' air coming out but no smoke

there is no power the the plug with only one wire in it. no power with the key off, no power with the key on, no power while the motor is cranking
 
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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 12:49 AM
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They both have only one wire ...
Does the front one (closest to front of truck) have 12v+ with key in the on position?

O-yea, Welcome to FTE.

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Opps, I'm eating them words, sorry, one does have two wires, it has to have 12v+ with key on.

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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 01:13 AM
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No smoke means no fuel and or no heat ...

You say you have fuel at the injectors!
That would also imply you have 12v+ with key on at the foremost connector on the injection pump.

That leaves Glow Plugs, 10 second WTS would be normal.
That does not mean the Glow Plugs are good.

Have you tested the Glow Plugs?
Did it start and run good before parking?

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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 10:07 AM
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welcome to FTE.

before trying to start on a cold engine, remove the fuel filter and see if it is full or not. my bet is it will be half empty due to air intrusion through old worn out o-rings under the return line caps.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 10:19 AM
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so standing in front of the truck and looking at the engine there are 3 connectors on the injector pump.

the one furthest away has one wire the one closer has 2 wires and the one to the left of that has 2 wires.

I will check the fuel filter again tonight but I know it was full when I put it on new 2 days ago.

What is the best procedure for testing glow plugs? Should I start preparing myself for the $1000 trip to replace the injector pump? I mean it only has 47k miles on it.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by nut_wrinkle
so standing in front of the truck and looking at the engine there are 3 connectors on the injector pump.
Left and Right is always looked at from the drivers seat, it's the standard so everyone knows what everyone else is saying!

Left is drivers side, Right is passenger side!

With that said, on the left side of the Injection pump there is TWO connectors, the furthest towards the front is the one that MUST HAVE 12v+ to run!

The other two really don't matter at this point in time!

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What is the best procedure for testing glow plugs?
Test light test of the glow plugs:
  • Unplug the Glow Plugs.
  • Attach one end of a test light to 12v+ battery.
  • Touch the other end to the terminal on the end of the Glow Plug (where you unplugged the harness)
  • Does it light up?
    • Yes, Chances are it's good.
    • No, Replace with Motorcraft/Beru ZD9.
    • This test is susceptible to miss diagnoses and should only be used for a quick reference.
  • To do a more positive test use a volt/ohm meter and test the ohms between the terminal and base. Should be .5 to 1 ohm resistance.
  • To do a positive test, pull all Glow Plugs and test burn with 12v. CAREFULLY! Ask if you're unsure!

Originally Posted by nut_wrinkle
Should I start preparing myself for the $1000 trip to replace the injector pump? I mean it only has 47k miles on it.
No ... Not yet!

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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nut_wrinkle
The truck will turn over but will not start.
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When I turn the engine over it will start.
This is totally unclear. Under exactly what conditions does the engine start? Under exactly what conditions does it fail to start?

Maybe you should post pics of your IP and the connectors on it. As Festus said, there should be no two-wire connectors on the IP.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by madpogue
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This is totally unclear. Under exactly what conditions does the engine start? Under exactly what conditions does it fail to start?

Maybe you should post pics of your IP and the connectors on it. As Festus said, there should be no two-wire connectors on the IP.
Sorry, I meant it wont start
 
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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 08:44 PM
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So here is a picture of the Driver's side of the injector pump. The connector at the bottom of the picture has 2 wires in it.



Driver's Side of the injector pump
 
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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by madpogue
As Festus said, there should be no two-wire connectors on the IP.
Actually, You'll see where I ate my own words ... The Ignition Power wire does in fact have 2 wires as well as the high idle, that is where part of the confusion comes from, maybe this will clear the confusion!


In the above picture, the only wire that MUST have 12v+ with key on is the Ignition Power connector.

The Cold Start Advance and High Idle are NOT REQUIRED at this time!
We can worry about that later ...

Does this clear it up nut_wrinkle?

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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 08:50 PM
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You beat me nut_wrinkle ...

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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by madpogue
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Maybe you should post pics of your IP and the connectors on it. As Festus said, there should be no two-wire connectors on the IP.
Madpogue, Another confusion is You and I don't consider the High Idle on the IP, it's an attached item!

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Old Jun 28, 2016 | 09:21 PM
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so I just went out and cleaned the connectors and the tabs they connect to on the injection pump and now I have power at those connectors on the pump. The truck still does not start.

I also tested the glow plugs using a test light and they all have power. One curious thing though, after holding the key on for more than 15 seconds or so the solenoid at the back of the motor starts clicking repeatedly.
 
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