HPOP Input Needed
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HPOP Input Needed
I'm in the process of gathering a list of everything I need to replace while replacing a lifter that has (is going) bad. Knowing I will need to pull the HPOP to get to the back set, I'm debating replacing the factory HPOP while I'm in that deep. The truck is a 2006, has 279,000 miles on it, all by me.
I've already bullet-proofed the majority of the engine with head studs/gaskets remaining which will be replaced as part of this venture.
Short of the lifter issue the truck seems to run fine, so I don't have any real reason to replace the HPOP other than the mileage and the fact I'll have the cab off, engine out making it an opportune time to do so.
Any recommendations on which manufacturer to go with for replacement? Any you would absolutely shy away from? Any input would be appreciated...
Rusty
I've already bullet-proofed the majority of the engine with head studs/gaskets remaining which will be replaced as part of this venture.
Short of the lifter issue the truck seems to run fine, so I don't have any real reason to replace the HPOP other than the mileage and the fact I'll have the cab off, engine out making it an opportune time to do so.
Any recommendations on which manufacturer to go with for replacement? Any you would absolutely shy away from? Any input would be appreciated...
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Hey Rusty 
, the later style V4 cast iorn pump is a pretty solid piece. I understand your thinking about the mileage and doing a fresh pump though. No bad press for the pumps from Ford, Ed (ficmrepair.com) Will have a much better price than your local dealership. With the lifter issue, I'd be more worried about the low pressure pump. It's common for it to get some FOD cranked through it when a lifter fails.
, the later style V4 cast iorn pump is a pretty solid piece. I understand your thinking about the mileage and doing a fresh pump though. No bad press for the pumps from Ford, Ed (ficmrepair.com) Will have a much better price than your local dealership. With the lifter issue, I'd be more worried about the low pressure pump. It's common for it to get some FOD cranked through it when a lifter fails.
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Thanks for the reply. I'm hoping I caught the lifter before it started coughing up needle bearings or screwing up the cam, but won't really know until I pull them to see what I've got. At present I've just got the "chirping" under the hood after checking/replacing all the obvious suspects. Any good way to check he LPOP to make sure I don't have any crap in it? I would assume pulling the pan to see if I have anything there would be advisable as well?
So, you'd replace the HPOP with a Ford part as opposed to an aftermarket (reman Bostec, Alliant, etc.)? Good to know.
So, you'd replace the HPOP with a Ford part as opposed to an aftermarket (reman Bostec, Alliant, etc.)? Good to know.
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I am having the oil cooler, egr cooler replaced and turbo cleaned this weekend on my 2004 E350.
I asked the mechanic that is doing the installation about the HPOP on this year and he said these pumps are a known failure point.
I found a rebuilt HPOP for $531 from Tousley Ford. This van has been rebuilt multiple times but I do not have any service records as the PO lost everything.
Would any of you replace the HPOP as preventative maintenance when you have so much removed already?
I asked the mechanic that is doing the installation about the HPOP on this year and he said these pumps are a known failure point.
I found a rebuilt HPOP for $531 from Tousley Ford. This van has been rebuilt multiple times but I do not have any service records as the PO lost everything.
Would any of you replace the HPOP as preventative maintenance when you have so much removed already?
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I am having the oil cooler, egr cooler replaced and turbo cleaned this weekend on my 2004 E350.
I asked the mechanic that is doing the installation about the HPOP on this year and he said these pumps are a known failure point.
I found a rebuilt HPOP for $531 from Tousley Ford. This van has been rebuilt multiple times but I do not have any service records as the PO lost everything.
Would any of you replace the HPOP as preventative maintenance when you have so much removed already?
I asked the mechanic that is doing the installation about the HPOP on this year and he said these pumps are a known failure point.
I found a rebuilt HPOP for $531 from Tousley Ford. This van has been rebuilt multiple times but I do not have any service records as the PO lost everything.
Would any of you replace the HPOP as preventative maintenance when you have so much removed already?
Also a NO BRAINER to get the Adrenaline pump for a van. Spend the extra dough and get a pump you know will work out of the box, the fact you own a van notwithstanding. Any mechanic working on a van would thank you if he knew the difference.
At any rate, do not use a Dorman oil cooler unless you have a penchant for do overs and/or a glutton for punishment.
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Thanks for the reply. I'm hoping I caught the lifter before it started coughing up needle bearings or screwing up the cam, but won't really know until I pull them to see what I've got. At present I've just got the "chirping" under the hood after checking/replacing all the obvious suspects. Any good way to check he LPOP to make sure I don't have any crap in it? I would assume pulling the pan to see if I have anything there would be advisable as well?
So, you'd replace the HPOP with a Ford part as opposed to an aftermarket (reman Bostec, Alliant, etc.)? Good to know.
So, you'd replace the HPOP with a Ford part as opposed to an aftermarket (reman Bostec, Alliant, etc.)? Good to know.
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Thanks for the reply. I'm hoping I caught the lifter before it started coughing up needle bearings or screwing up the cam, but won't really know until I pull them to see what I've got. At present I've just got the "chirping" under the hood after checking/replacing all the obvious suspects. Any good way to check he LPOP to make sure I don't have any crap in it? I would assume pulling the pan to see if I have anything there would be advisable as well?
So, you'd replace the HPOP with a Ford part as opposed to an aftermarket (reman Bostec, Alliant, etc.)? Good to know.
So, you'd replace the HPOP with a Ford part as opposed to an aftermarket (reman Bostec, Alliant, etc.)? Good to know.
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If cam removal is necessary, so will crankshaft removal. At THAT time, is when you will have a good idea of the condition of your LPOP, since you will need to remove the front cover to remove the crank, along with the rear cover.
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No on Dorman! I found the oil cooler from Tousley Ford for $293. Local auto parts sell the DoorMat for about the same price.
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I think you are a little disoriented on the job. The hpop in this engine,, is generally rock solid. No way in the world would I take out a factory hpop,, and put in a reman with orange seals. Those pumps are NOT failure prone unlike the advice you got from a mechanic. The 03-04 pumps,, those suk!!! But the 05 n up's,,, very good pumps. You do have pulling the engine in the schedule don't you?? Cause it is coming out. (Just reread and saw you are planning on pulling,, sorry). The lpop is the place to check for metal. Not the oil pan,, although the oil pan will show you,, but the lpop will generally show you if there's enough metal to do damage. If you don't know where the lpop is,, I would suggest more research before tearing into the job.
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I appreciate all your responses, as far as the HPOP is concerned I plan on taking the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach knowing that the game may change considerably once we do some exploration and see what state the lifter(s) are in. I'll do my best to post my findings once I get things torn down and take a good look-see.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
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The single most largest determining factor on the direction as to where this repair is going to go, is with regard to cam condition. What I'm trying to get at, is EVERYTHING on the engine is coming out, if there's issues with the cam. It's at that point where you'll need to evaluate the dollars to cents where you'll be ahead, putting a cam and lifters as LPOP (and all associated gaskets) going back together, versus just outright short blocking it.
As for your HPOP? Worst case scenario is if there are issues with it shortly after this repair, it's not at all that intrusive or difficult to come back apart to access it if need be. At least not nearly as intrusive of disassembly as you already have it now. But I'm sure you knew that already.
As for your HPOP? Worst case scenario is if there are issues with it shortly after this repair, it's not at all that intrusive or difficult to come back apart to access it if need be. At least not nearly as intrusive of disassembly as you already have it now. But I'm sure you knew that already.
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The single most largest determining factor on the direction as to where this repair is going to go, is with regard to cam condition. What I'm trying to get at, is EVERYTHING on the engine is coming out, if there's issues with the cam. It's at that point where you'll need to evaluate the dollars to cents where you'll be ahead, putting a cam and lifters as LPOP (and all associated gaskets) going back together, versus just outright short blocking it.
As for your HPOP? Worst case scenario is if there are issues with it shortly after this repair, it's not at all that intrusive or difficult to come back apart to access it if need be. At least not nearly as intrusive of disassembly as you already have it now. But I'm sure you knew that already.
As for your HPOP? Worst case scenario is if there are issues with it shortly after this repair, it's not at all that intrusive or difficult to come back apart to access it if need be. At least not nearly as intrusive of disassembly as you already have it now. But I'm sure you knew that already.
It just continues to baffle me, all this for a $40 part...
Thanks for the input.
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The single most largest determining factor on the direction as to where this repair is going to go, is with regard to cam condition. What I'm trying to get at, is EVERYTHING on the engine is coming out, if there's issues with the cam. It's at that point where you'll need to evaluate the dollars to cents where you'll be ahead, putting a cam and lifters as LPOP (and all associated gaskets) going back together, versus just outright short blocking it.
As for your HPOP? Worst case scenario is if there are issues with it shortly after this repair, it's not at all that intrusive or difficult to come back apart to access it if need be. At least not nearly as intrusive of disassembly as you already have it now. But I'm sure you knew that already.
As for your HPOP? Worst case scenario is if there are issues with it shortly after this repair, it's not at all that intrusive or difficult to come back apart to access it if need be. At least not nearly as intrusive of disassembly as you already have it now. But I'm sure you knew that already.
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I've been out of the 6.0L game for quite a while now, since they no longer show up on dealership doorsteps anymore. Just curious, what is the hooping for a new cam these days?