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I have just recently purchased a 2000 Excursion. I am in the process of swapping in a Cummins 6BT and have a question for the members that have done a swap into an Excursion or SuperDuty.
I have a 4WD V10 with 4R100. The plan is to keep the 4R100. I know I need an adapter, flexplate and low stall torque converter.
Has anyone done this swap without using a standalone transmission controller like PCS. Is it possible to get a custom chip with new shift parameters and use the current ECM? If so, it should be cheaper, keep more stock parts in it and have the transfer case shifting work normally.
I have been searching but have seen no reference to doing this. Everyone just says get the PCS. Has it been tried and failed? Is it impossible? Or has no one even tried?
Thanx for any info you can provide.
I'm currently doing a5r110w behind my cummins project. Going to be a chore to tune compared to the 400 according to DCS (diesel conversion specialist). Ice spent some time on the phone with a guy named Shawn and he sends very smart when it comes to the tranny's and controllers. For my setup he kept trying to point me towards a factory box with a tuner attached but i am to far in to switch away from the PCS now. He told me the only down side to it with me was the difficulty to tune 5R110w. It might be worth calling there and asking for him, he may be able to point you in the right direction or atleast some good options
Ugh... reading more makes me frustrated. I have 2/3 of the parts I need for my swap, and I'm waiting for more money....
Yeah, I thought I had most of my parts when started too. The money pit gets deep really quick. Granted I've done a lot of custom stuff that could've been avoided for the most part but, its to damn cool to stop and due to such tight fitment it was better to do some things now instead of later. I just sat down last night and tallied up the damage, I'm at just over 9k now and still got a few more to go. I estimate when completely done, (paint, wheels-n-tires, interior, exterior and ad-ons. I'll have right at 20k invested including the cost of the van.
Well, i think i got my most recent nightmare out of the way. Definetly not an enjoyable part. A/C lines are in and barely fit. There is no doubt in my mind that i have used up every possible inch of space on this side of the engine bay. I never would have thought this part would have been such a pain in the *** and cost me that much. The final tally on just the a/c line assembly came out to $250 bucks
Been taking a lot longer than anticipated. But my mechanic got down in the back and he couldn't do much for about a month.
We have the engine in and just finishing up the custom stuff now. This is slow and not cheap. As pointed out, getting A/C lines done up right will cost. My guy is very particular about how he does stuff. Wants everything to look neat and factory. Plus, pay now and do it right and don't worry about it.
A lot depends on how you want to do it. I am running into more issues (not really hard) because of my desire to keep it as factory as possible.
Easy swap is to put in a manual trans and that solves a lot of problems. 12V just needs a fuel line and 12 volts to pump solenoid. If auto, then get a PCS or USShift standalone controller.
Me, that's to simple.
Easy put in a one wire alternator. I put in a 6.0L one and had to figure out wiring.
I want to use factory ECM to control the trans. Gotta figure out tuning/programming. Had to leave in airbox with MAF sensor, which is in way of routing intercooler lines, so they have to be custom fabbed.
Wanted to preserve the V10 as a complete engine for resale, so didn't rob any parts/connectors off of it. Had to find those.
Built a wiring adapter to plug into harness in engine bay and then ran wires to engine from that.
Experimented with new motor mounts. Mechanic has done a lot of conversions and has never been happy with any of the "conversion mounts". If you stand back and have a level, engine is a couple degrees off level. I think he is OCD, but it means everything is done right and looks good. I made some adapter blocks he was gonna use to build his own mounts, but the ones we found seem to satisfy him, other than engine being set over to left more than usual, which means we have to do custom intercooler pipes on that side also, along with custom AC lines.
I have been keeping a spreadsheet with all the parts. When finished I will be able to upload that information. Of course I have left out lots of little parts, like thermostat, hose adapters, things like that.
A lot of my expense was wanting to put in all new stuff instead of old stuff that came with the engine.
New AC condensor, Cummins water pump, Alternator, engine gaskets, turbo, ujoints when they shortened the driveshaft, redhead steering gear.
Plus all the new suspension stuff I did before starting the conversion.
When finished, this will basically be a new truck mechanically. Mechanic says it will last longer than I will (not a spring chicken).
Then I can save up money for painting/interior/roof rack/bumpers all those exterior goodies.
Looks like its coming along nicely. I wouldn't know what to do with all that extra room in the engine bay. I'm in the process of tuning my trans now. Slow going but productive and worth it in the end I think. At least you can get to most of the items bolted to you're engine easily. I fired up mine and ran it a few times, all of the sudden the damn thing starts chirpin and squeakin. Everything bolted on is brand new but i'm pretty sure its the belt tensioner. Problem is I can't even see it, let alone get my ear or a tool close to it to make sure that's it and not the alt or a/c. So i'm going to have to disassemble things yet again to figure it out and fix it.
I am going to try the factory ECM with a tune for the trans. By tomorrow it should be back together enough to try and drive it. It goes in gear and will move, so that is a good sign.
As for room, you could probably climb in and set on the drivers side, but the passenger side is crowded. A/C,alternator,turbo,water lines. They all seem to want the same spot.
Your right about money pit. I will have about the same in mine as Bones929K. But here at the end it is all the seemingly little things that add up. But when finished, mechanically will be like a new one. Replaced anything that bolts on with a new one.
Bones, what alternator setup did you go with. Got some aeroquip a/c stuff coming in today to make custom lines with.
I am going to try the factory ECM with a tune for the trans. By tomorrow it should be back together enough to try and drive it. It goes in gear and will move, so that is a good sign.
As for room, you could probably climb in and set on the drivers side, but the passenger side is crowded. A/C,alternator,turbo,water lines. They all seem to want the same spot.
Your right about money pit. I will have about the same in mine as Bones929K. But here at the end it is all the seemingly little things that add up. But when finished, mechanically will be like a new one. Replaced anything that bolts on with a new one.
Bones, what alternator setup did you go with. Got some aeroquip a/c stuff coming in today to make custom lines with.
The factory trans controller is probably the easier way to go due to it adjusting itself. I chose the PCS because I wanted full control of the tranny in every way possible even though that means constantly monitoring the tunes and adjusting them as the trans wears down.
My setup has absolutely no room left on the right and just a little on the left. it would've been nice to mount my a/c up high but there just wasn't enough space.
I am running all factory dodge components on my engine. I wanted to keep it as simple as possible to remember what was what when it comes to repairs. Plus everything is designed to work with that style of engine. I did have the alternator custom built internally though. 190 amps to supply plenty of juice for all my power requirements.
My a/c lines were extremely difficult due to the lack of space available and finding experts to help with the issues. I also had a hard time finding a company that could do a good job on making them. I ultimately spent more than it should've cost me by going to several different places trying to get it done. In the end I found a local company that can do everything I need from start to finish so that will save me in the future.
I also went far and beyond with trying to make everything I could look like a factory install. Other than the huge intake system and ram air hood it will look like a factory job in the end.
I flipped the locations of the alt and a/c in mine and reused the stock Excursion bits. Had to bend the a/c lines a little but was easier than trying to come up with custom ones.
Been driving it around. Runs great but is smoking more than I like. I think the fuel pin in it is too aggressive and will probably change that. Using the factory ECM to control the trans is working out great. And people said you had to have a standalone controller. Bought a Quarterhorse from Moates.net and installed that. Got custom tune to start with, and using TunerPro will be able to fine tune the shift points live. Soon will have the definition file needed for doing live datalogging also.
Tunerpro is a good program i used it on gm vehicles want to try the Ford side soon also moates is an excellent guy to deal with extremely knowledgeable and friendly. Glad to see you going well on your truck and staying up on your threads awesome work man.
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I have just recently purchased a 2000 Excursion. I am in the process of swapping in a Cummins 6BT and have a question for the members that have done a swap into an Excursion or SuperDuty.
I have a 4WD V10 with 4R100. The plan is to keep the 4R100. I know I need an adapter, flexplate and low stall torque converter.
Has anyone done this swap without using a standalone transmission controller like PCS. Is it possible to get a custom chip with new shift parameters and use the current ECM? If so, it should be cheaper, keep more stock parts in it and have the transfer case shifting work normally.
I have been searching but have seen no reference to doing this. Everyone just says get the PCS. Has it been tried and failed? Is it impossible? Or has no one even tried?
Thanx for any info you can provide.
Hello see your close to medic you get your cummins put in does everything work in middle of doing a 12v cummins with zf6 and manual trans